The Official 2013 F1 Thread. Spoilers possible!

Discussion in 'Racing' started by g®eg, Nov 27, 2012.

  1. wxwax

    wxwax Excited Member

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    No kidding. Marko has always been a real jerk, enabled by other people's money.
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    wxwax Excited Member

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    Does this mean 8 sets of gears ratios?
  3. g®eg

    g®eg Canadian living in exile

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    there's some debate about this...
    if the 8 gear ratios is fixed then the final drive ratio would surely need to change.
    otherwise if you designed the box for Monza, you'd not get out of second or third at Monaco.

    Not sure I understand how they will implement this one.
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    joef Been here awhile

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    Sounds like restrictor car racing
  5. Paebr332

    Paebr332 Good news everyone!

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    Especially considering that Massa in 26 fewer starts has two more wins (though one less podium) than does Webber. Massa has averaged 4.2 points per start with Webber at 4.5 over their F1 careers. Massa helped Ferrari win back-to-back championships as a number two driver, while Webber has three to his name.

    Those aren't big enough differences to shoot your mouth off about your superior startegy and driver selections skills. :huh

    After his injury Ferrari stuck with Massa hoping he would regain his prior form. That has not quite happened, but you need to give them some credit for loyalty. Marko would have walked away from Massa without a moment's hesitation.
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    wxwax Excited Member

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    I was thinking perhaps it means 8 different sets of gear ratios, to give them flexibility to deal with different tracks. Not sure why they'd set a limit, though. :dunno
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    As I understand it, eight-speed boxes are going to be required in 2014 and the ratios from engine to wheels are fixed for the entire season, except for one mid-season change allowed (which then is unchanged for the rest of the season) to handle unexpected technical difficulties in predicting what ratios are best at the beginning of the season. In 2015, no changes after the season starts whatsoever.

    The technical rationale is that with eight speeds and the new flatter torque curve of the turbo V6 (which has about a 5K RPM plateau in which the engine makes peak power allowing much larger gaps between ratios), it will be relatively simple to have a single set of ratios that will work satisfactorily for all the tracks in a season. At the slowest tracks, they'll use 1st-6th and at the faster tracks, they'll use 3rd-8th.

    The reason for these limits? What else: Cost reduction....

    - Mark
  8. wxwax

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    :thumb Thanks. Woe betide the team that gets it wrong and has to wait half a season to fix it.
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    The low nose tip is going make some interesting collisions.
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    I wasn't very clear.... when I said "mid-season", I didn't mean that there was a specific time midway through the season when they could change ratios - just one chance anytime in the season to make a change which they have to stick with the rest of the season. Theoretically, they could adjust the ratios after the 1st race. But only one time.

    - Mark
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    green hell yawning or snarling

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    and they'll be giving up some efficiency in the corners. initially anyway, i'm sure they'll figure something out. :lol3
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    g®eg Canadian living in exile

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    looks like Merc fitted a deer whistle :lol3

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    g®eg Canadian living in exile

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    passive DRS testing

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    Silverstone wing:

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    and Germany:

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    Big John w/o passive DRS

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    and Kimi with

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    changes to the engine cowl

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    and at Williams... they duct tape bits on.
    next stop NASCAR? :rofl

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  14. g®eg

    g®eg Canadian living in exile

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    and for a Wednesday laugh....

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    wxwax Excited Member

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    Got it, thanks.
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    I think it's for safety, so it doesn't spear the cockpit. Same reason they raised the cockpit side height, I believe.
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    g®eg Canadian living in exile

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    yup
    same reason for the stepped noses, they made them lower the tip. This is just lower still.
    if the aero guys had their way the nose would be as high as the cockpit (and were)
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    g®eg Canadian living in exile

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    looks like medium & soft for Hungary.....

    don't bother betting on Lewis & Nico.

    :lol3
  19. Paebr332

    Paebr332 Good news everyone!

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    Mercedes could learn a lot during next week's testing that would help them better understand the new tires.

    Oh, wait...:wink:
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    HarveyMushman Tire Squarerer

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    F1 Fan, meet F1.