The Official Euro 2012 Thread

Discussion in 'Sports' started by JNRobert, Nov 15, 2011.

  1. JNRobert

    JNRobert Breaking Wind

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    Perhaps, you're being simplistic as usual. I will say how cool would it have been if Cole had stepped up and copied Pirlo and done a Panenkas. That would have freaked the Italians out. But that takes nerves like Zidane or Pirlo that don't get overawed by the occasion.


    Because, IMHO he's overated. I can't think of one international game whether England or Man U., that he has been the man. He shines against mid-table Premier league clubs because he has talent enough to look good against journeymen players (and to be fair, in comparison to most of the English players who's technical and tactical ability is pretty fucking rudimentary, he is Pele).

    I think Hodgson has to take the blame too. First off, Rooney should have been on the bench as England were a better team without him and he could have come on as an impact sub once the Italians were tired - but his reputation seems to have ruled that out which says a lot about the psychology of English teams - and the English in general - but that's another topic.

    Which leads us to Hodgson who is a tactical diletant in my opinion. His 4-4-2 is a throwback but it particularly wouldn't work with Rooney because he was unable or unwilling to do the work of tracking Pirlo (and I'm going with unable because he looked pretty fat and unfit to me). For comparison, Alf Ramsey had the balls to leave Jimmy Greaves on the bench.

    I'm going to say something positive about England yesterday. There was a moment in the first half when they remarkably played themselves out of their own third by passing the ball with some skill. They looked like Spain. Maybe they were too shocked and scared at the wonder of it to try it again :dunno

    p.s. the fact the score was 0-0 after extra time just shows you how poor this Italian side is too :deal
  2. BMWBILO

    BMWBILO Snapperhead

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    As always good post. Where did you obtain all your soccer knowledge?
  3. ThePikeman

    ThePikeman German n00b

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    Thank you that you wrote that Rooney looks like a fatty.
    4-4-2 in general isn't really modern, but has its uses. The way england plays it, it is broken. There is simply no midfield and the long balls necessary to bridge it are predictable. I have to retract my compliment about Hart a bit. He is a very good keeper, but his distribution is awful. A fast distribution to some countering players would have had a chance of success. Italy wasn't really fast to move back into defense when Hart had the ball. It would have added an element of surprise to the slow english play. Italy would probably have made less shots, too. They had many half chances and the risk of getting a counter if Hart gets the ball would have had them rethink that.

    Very recommendable side for some tactics:
    www.zonalmarking.net

    a different one in German:
    http://www.spielverlagerung.de
  4. JNRobert

    JNRobert Breaking Wind

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    Played through high school and college and until my back stopped me recently, i was playing in a Sunday geezers league. I don't have the tribal gene so I like the game for aesthetic and tactical reasons (and when you get a really magical player like Zidane).

    There's a lot of bullshit written about the game but once in a while you get an interesting writer like Jonathan Wilson (Inverting the Pyramid and The Anatomy of England, Raphael Honigstein Englisher Fussball or Phil Ball Morbo. Plus other more technical stuff on national tactical styles that I find interesting.

    Actually, I just really liked playing particularly when no-one gets too worked up about it. It always used to amuse me how quickly peeps get serious about winning practice :D
  5. Motociclista

    Motociclista Banded

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    Wikipedia

    :lol3
  6. Motociclista

    Motociclista Banded

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    Real issues ...

    1- can Italy recuperate physically and mentally in such a short time? Germany has two extra days and they are collectively younger.

    2- can Balottelli deliver as he was supposed to

    3- can Pirlo perform as well as he did? OR --- will the Germans cancel Pirlo?

    I expect a great game from both.
  7. TheWorstKind

    TheWorstKind In the Wind

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    The German press is reporting that Loew has ruled out a man-marker for Pirlo. Loew expects Italy to adjust to us.....
  8. Stinez

    Stinez Rhymes with Heinz :D

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    The games have been entertaining and thankfully the best teams have won. :clap

    BUT...What's with the fans and all the hateful behavior? :scratch

    Is the hate as dominant as it appears? :dunno






    Like it or not this IS a part of the official 2012 Euro tournament and while it may not be as big as the games themselves it is part of the story. :deal
  9. Motociclista

    Motociclista Banded

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    If I was the German coach I would stick a man on Pirlo like a stamp on a letter.

    :lol3
  10. TheWorstKind

    TheWorstKind In the Wind

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    No doubt about it, I would, as well. I would have no second thoughts about giving up some offensive impulses from Schweinsteiger, particularly since Khedira has stepped up anyway. In exchange, Italy's idea-man is shut down. This is a no-brainer for me. But, hey, that's why I have the job I do, and Joggi Loew has the job he has....:eek1

    I'm hoping for at least four past Buffon!
  11. Motociclista

    Motociclista Banded

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    Soccer is soccer ... in the 70's a man was killed by a rocket in Rome. Yep ... a rocket.
  12. ThePikeman

    ThePikeman German n00b

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    Idiots are everywhere. Right wing parties are around 10% in a few, mostly east german regions. That is more about protest than pure support. There are few other things that shock the other parties more. The parties are irrelevant in most parts of Germany.
    I am disgusted by this anyways.
    The UEFA is very good in keeping the things under wrap. The tv coverage looks absolutely clean with everything cut out.
    Goal.com says it was a banner written in Fraktur saying "Gott mit uns". I am not sure, if "God with us" can be construed as nazism. Depends on the people who held up the banner. The term is centuries old. It has a distinct militaristic undertone though. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gott_mit_uns
  13. TheWorstKind

    TheWorstKind In the Wind

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    Man, guys, I can barely stand the tension. I haven't slept well the last couple of nights, I am tense and edgy, and, overall, just a bit out of sorts. Not knowing how this tourney is going to turn out is almost unbearable. I love it!

    Portugal over Spain today, CRonaldo to become a near legend.

    Germany 4-1 over Italy tomorrow.

    Germany beats Portugal 3-2 in the final, Oezil outshines CRonaldo.

    Will that work for you fine folks?
  14. newcastleadam

    newcastleadam Artful Tagger

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    So far this is not the case. Extra time could prove otherwise...
  15. newcastleadam

    newcastleadam Artful Tagger

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    Not even a PK for CR...
  16. tonto

    tonto Son of a preacher man

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    Fabregas you beauty :clap
  17. TheWorstKind

    TheWorstKind In the Wind

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    Well, I didn't get it right today, hopefully my pick for tomorrow is better! :D
  18. RhinoVonHawkrider

    RhinoVonHawkrider Long timer

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    I was rooting for the Porkchops as I'm friends w/ a bunch from Ironbound (Newark, NJ)

    I also hate PKs - play until someone scores.

    With that said

    Siegen Deutschland
  19. ThePikeman

    ThePikeman German n00b

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    Portugal was playing with their last breath after 120 minutes. What's the use of letting them play longer?
    There also needs to be a fixed latest end to a game for fans, tv and logistical reasons. Keeping mass transit from the stadium to the city on hold indefinitely?

    Nice game today. Portugal did a good job in forcing Spain to bad passes. There were a bit weak in possession to really do something with it though.
  20. DUNDERHEAD

    DUNDERHEAD Been here awhile

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    Why didn't CR take the first PK ?