The Official Euro 2012 Thread

Discussion in 'Sports' started by JNRobert, Nov 15, 2011.

  1. JNRobert

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    "I maintain that a team is above all an idea, and more than an idea it is a commitment, and more than a commitment it is the clear convictions that a coach must transmit to his players to defend that idea. So my concern is that we coaches don't arrogate to ourselves the right to remove from the spectacle the synonym of festival, in favour of a philosophical reading that cannot be sustained, which is to avoid taking risks. And in football there are risks because the only way you can avoid taking risks in any game is by not playing …

    "And to those who say that all that matters is winning, I want to warn them that someone always wins. Therefore, in a 30-team championship, there are 29 who must ask themselves: what did I leave at this club, what did I bring to my players, what possibility of growth did I give to my footballers?

    "I start from the premise that football is efficacy. I play to win, as much or more than any egoist who thinks he's going to win by other means. I want to win the match. But I don't give in to tactical reasoning as the only way to win, rather I believe that efficacy is not divorced from beauty …"


    César Luis Menotti

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    p.s. Bayern :freaky :clap
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  2. TheWorstKind

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    My heart-rate finally is down. The Madrid-Bayern return leg was one of the most intense games I have seen in a very long time. To come out on the winning end of this thing feels immensely gratifying. It is also nice to be able to honestly say that Bayern was the better side, and, certainly, the side trying to do more during the games.

    Looking forward to the final. Chelsea will be a very tough nut to crack. Drogba is one of the best players in my life time. I have a little bit of relief that Ramirez is out for the Blues - we (Bayern) have nobody to match his pace. In regards to all the ranting about Chelsea's negative football, well, I disagree; why would Chelsea play to Barca's strength? It is about winning. Players play to win, coaches coach to win.

    My prognosis for the final is, of course, very biased: Bayern come out on top and hoist the "Cup with the Big Ears" for a fifth time!

    AUF GEHT'S BAYERN!!! :1drink
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  3. ThePikeman

    ThePikeman German n00b

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    Germany will be united behind Bayern for once. Even people who dislike them... There is even more disgust aimed towards the money stuffed asses of toy clubs owned by random criminals (sheiks are in essence dictators which I consider criminals by default).
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    I'm with you 110% as far as cheering for a Bayern victory. But I must say I don't understand how you think Drogba is one of the best players in a life time. I can't stand the guy, he is one of the biggest pussys I've seen play in my life time. For as big and strong as he is he falls down like a little bitch. Always crying about something on the pitch, I hope Bayern give him plenty to cry about.
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    ThePikeman German n00b

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    He'll surely cry if somebody tells Robben that there are other option than to cut to the middle. It always bugged me out during the game when Robben didn't use the wide emtpy space Marcelo left to run to the back line and play a cross. Gomez has a talent to head or stumble crosses in.
    I really hope Bayern sells him after this season for a very big bunch of money. He is quite an egoist if he is not injured. He might be brilliant at times, but I could bet he really earned that hit from Ribery. :lol3
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    Actually read a story today in which Rummenige mentioned that a lot of managers from clubs around Europe have called him, wishing Bayern well because it is nice to see a fiscally responsible club making it to the final.
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    Drogba is easy not to like. He does worry me, though. With Badstuber sitting out the final, I am a bit worried. It was really good to see Boateng have an adequate game the second time around versus Madrid.
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    Robben is on the verge of signing a new contract, so he is here to stay until 2015. I am with you on his predicability...maddening. One footed soccer players, including Messi, should be easy to defend.....
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    :photog

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    Robben is brilliant enough to still shoot goals, but :becca.

    On another note, Chelsea signed Marko Marin from Werder Bremen. Abramovich seems to be getting a cheapo. :lol3
    Maybe he needs the money to sign Guardiola.
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    OK, so Messi got a few with the wrong foot, too....
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    Bild said today that Robben has stopped contract negotiations. The pundits are guessing that it was Ribbery's punch and subsequent insufficient (in Robben's opinion) response from the club.
    I, for one, won't miss Robben. I'd like to see more of Mueller, plus Shaquiri (sp?) is coming.
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    During the first half of the season Robben was injured like he
    often is. Bayern finished on top of the league at the winter break.
    Müller played on the outside where Robben plays and Bayern did
    just fine. Robben has talent but he is a selfish prick on the field.
    He got some of his own medicine from Ribery. During one practice
    Robben went after Phillip Lahm after Lahm came in hard on a tackle.
    Also during a game Robben got into it with Müller on the field. Let
    the glass man go, his brilliant play every now and then isn't worth
    the rest the bullshit that comes with it.
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    ThePikeman German n00b

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    I won't shed a tear when Robben leaves. Sell him to the highest bidder and buy some younger players with talent. They did a first job by prying Shakiri from Basel. The kid only has to hope that Pique doesn't have dyslexia if he ever plays against him. :lol3
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    ThePikeman German n00b

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    So, the season is really winding down here in Germany.
    Today was the cup final and Bayern really got beating. They lost 5:2 against Dortmund. Hopefully Dortmund can translate their league form into the champions league this year.

    Tuesday will be the last league game of the season, the second leg of the relegation.
    Fortuna Düsseldorf won the first leg against Hertha Berlin 1:2. The return leg will be in Düsseldorf.

    A short notice on Hertha. They are on their third coach of the season, reactivating... let me rephrase that... excavating Otto Rehagel (born 1938). Their first coach Markus Babbel left under interesting circumstances. A beautiful scandal involving him fucking the wife of a club official (and if rumors are true, others), accusations of lying from and to director of sport Michael Preetz and a not extended contract. The second coach, Michael Skibbe was sacked ofter 5 lost games in the return leg with the team looking absolutely dreadful and falling from 11 to 15 in the table. Then Rehagel came on doing not much better, but at least with some charme. The team fell to a direct relegation place and only managed to get into the relegation games on the last game day.

    I am really hoping Hertha will manage a convincing win in Düsseldorf. They somehow seem to be intimidated by fans cheering for them with only 15 points at home. Really bad, even for a team only getting 31 points in total.

    Rehagel might spring into your mind from winning the Euro 2004 with the greek national team. He also won the league title with promoted 1 FC Kaiserslautern in 1998 (they got relegated again this year with only 23 points). He managed Werder Bremen for 14 years, winning 2 championships, 2 cups and 1 European cup winners cup.
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  16. JNRobert

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    And the relegation of Podolski's team (Dusseldorf?) before he moves to Arsenal.

    Next week is Champions League final (doesn't the European season seem interminable and now with the Euros it will never end :D ).

    Tomorrow settles the English Premiership - anyone but Manchester :D

    I'm hoping Newcastle make it into Europe with a fourth place assuming Chelski don't win next weekend.

    And lastly the English FA appoint their manager. Outside of some African nation which F.A. Would be so incompetent (ok, the French). They'll win the Euro's now :lol3
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    ThePikeman German n00b

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    Tell Podolski that he plays for Düsseldorf and he'll spit at you. :lol3
    There is a strong rivalry between Cologne and Düsseldorf (the cities and therefore the clubs, too). He played/plays for Cologne. Cologne goes down directly. They switched places after losing to Bayern on the last match day with Hertha winning against Hoffenheim.

    Actually I am getting full of all the "finals" this month. I need that 3 week break.

    Yeah, the english FA is a bit ridiculous. Are there no tactical adept coaches in england? Or at least someone who can stump the players egos?
    Playing for their country should be an honor for the players. Somehow english (and french?) players seem to see it as their right. That's a reason their teams disintegrate so regularly. French has its act together at the moment, but that does not have to hold. Spain will be an interesting team to see. Mourinho spewed so much hate between Barcelona and Madrid that this will surely carry into the team camp.

    I nearly forgot, Löw announced his preliminary squad (4 players still have to go).

    GK: Neuer (FCB), Wiese (Werder), Zieler (H96), Ter Stegen (Borussia Mönchengladbach)
    Def: Mertesacker (Arsenal), Höwedes (Schalke), Hummels (BVB), Badstuber (FCB), Boateng (FCB), Lahm (FCB), Schmelzer (BVB)
    Mid: Schweinsteiger (FCB), Khedira (Real M), L. Bender (Bayer Leverkusen), S. Bender (BVB), Gündogan (BVB), Özil (Real M), Reus (Gladbach), Götze (BVB), Podolski (Cologne), Müller (FCB), Kroos (FCB), Schürrle (Leverkusen), Draxler (Schalke)
    Att: Gomez (FCB), Klose (Lazio), Cacau (Stuttgart)

    There are no real surprises, except maybe Mertesacker because of his injury and Cacau (simply not the best there is).
    I guess he took Cacau because he is a good substitution player and accepts the role as a third striker. No reason to have a player on the bench who makes problems about his lack of playing time.
    Draxler (18) and Gündogan (21) will quite surely leave. Their invitation is more a compliment and they are both still elegible for the U21 team. I guess Sven Bender and Ter Stegen will also leave, but that's more speculation by me and does not really matter.
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  18. JNRobert

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    Holy Cow! I don't particularly like either team but I particularly dislike Man U so for City to win the league by scoring two goals in injury time made me happy. I bet all those City supporters who left the stadium at 90 minutes and 2-1 down must be hating themselves :lol3
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    If they can't lose with their team in grace, then it's their own fault.
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    Absolutely gutted by Bayern's performance Saturday. Lahm even had the "smarts" to say that Bayern was the better team. 5 in a row to Dortmund....

    Wish I could have seen the Man City game. What a finish that must have been.

    So, Saturday is the CL final, then we move on to the Euros. Germany certainly are one of the favorites, but the loss to France in the "friendly" really worries me. Schweini is miles away from his best, we still don't have a left back, and we lack a world-class guy at the top. DISCLAIMER: I am so old I saw Uwe Seeler and der "Bomber der Nation" play; all others that came after were/are superstars, but not world-class.
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