The Official Euro 2012 Thread

Discussion in 'Sports' started by JNRobert, Nov 15, 2011.

  1. Wildman

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  2. JNRobert

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    Switzerland 5 Germany 3

    :huh

    Spain didn't look all that good but still won. No Barcelona players due yesterdays cup final. David Silva looked sharp though.

    I'm watching England - Norway and the only player who seems to have a football brain is Scott Parker. Why do England managers persist with Gerard? It's a mystery.
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    In 2002 the Germans lost to the Wankers 5 to 0 in a World cup qualifier.
    They made it all the way to the final that year. It seems like they always
    have a shit game here and there but somehow pull it together come tournament time. I hope that is the case again in 2 weeks when they
    play against Pretty Boy Ronaldo.
  4. ThePikeman

    ThePikeman German n00b

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    Löw was tinkering a lot in this game. There weren't any Bayern players in the game either. The defense was totally new with Hummels reserving the good games for yellow shirts. Mertesacker had his first game after a long injury and Höwedes is usually a center back.
    Löw also somehow got it in his head that Khedira could play defensive midfield alone. He lacks the playmaking skills for that. Götze played the connection between him and attack... Gündogan and either Bender twin could play that role, he can't. He lacks the defensive ability. The team looked much more stable after Löw changed in Gündogan for Khedira and later added Lars Bender to the mix. Sven Bender came in as right fullback. Despite the reporter using the first names, I am not sure he got it right all the time. :lol3
    They are simply indistinguable. They look the same, run the same (and both tirelessly) and play the same. I wait for a game where they both play defensive midfield. Getting harassed by the "same" guy all over the place would probably drive attackers mad.
    Draxler and Reus added some spunk, too. There were probably only 4 or 5 players from the german starting XI in the game.

    Just to add, Switzerland had a great game.

    The game against Israel will be much more telling.

    BTW. Group B collective lacked a win today. Netherlands lost against Bulgaria 1-2, Portugal 0-0 Macedonia, Denmark 1 -3 Brazil
  5. JNRobert

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    USA 5 Scotland 1 :eek1

    Lucky we're not in the Euro's we'd win it all.

    Bradley's goal was special - to quote Alan Partridge, "he must have a foot like a traction engine". Liquid Football! (y'all).


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  6. Wildman

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    Wrong.

    It's not an act with you is it?
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    Sorry dude, I gave the wankers a little more credit than deserved.
    Germany and England were in the same qualifying group for the
    2002 World cup. Germany beat England in the first game at Wembley
    1 to 0. Right after that Englands' manger Kevin Keegan resigned.
    The return game was played in Munich and England won 5 to 1.
    At the 2002 World cup England made it to the quarter finals and
    Germany made it to the final losing to Brazil. What do you have to
    say about that?
  8. Wildman

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    Play rugby.
  9. JNRobert

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    The England football team does look pretty agricultural based on their performance against Norway. And Hodgson seems to be a tactical throwback too.

    I read today that the F.A. has finally agreed to reduce the pitch size, goal size and number of players for the youth teams. Only thirty years behind the times but I guess better late than never. There must be so many British kids who never went far in the game because of the emphasis on size and stamina. Shame.
  10. JNRobert

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    So, more friendly internationals which might be indicative of tournament form.

    Germany labored to beat Isreal according to the report I read. I watched the Spanish cruise by S. Korea still without one Barcelona player and France beat Serbia.

    France is my dark horse - terrible at the back as Mexes is a cart horse and without Abidal, Evra is a liability. But they have a very good attack in Ribery, Benzema, Ben Arfa and Menez with Nasri in the mid-field.

    Germany must be the favorites inspite of recent form and Ozil shines for the national team in a way he doesn't at Madrid.

    Spain are still very good but you get the feeling that they're not quite as potent. Particularly without Villa and Puyol. That brings Ramos into the center where he's not as good as his natural right fullback. It all depends how refreshed the Barca players are and whether Torres and Llorente have good tournaments. I'm betting tons of possession but can't finish.

    The Dutch could do what they always do and come apart like a cheap watch after dominating for four or five games.

    Italy will only win if someone has paid off the other side and forget Sweden, Portugal and England (unless one of those teams do a Denmark or Greece and major upset).

    P.s. Brazil looked like a machine against the U.S. the yanks got a lesson in how to play without breaking sweat. Klinsmann looked ashen faced - I think he was more deluded than anyone about the quality of his team.
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    It was a bit labored and a total wast of good chances. Israel played very defensively, so it didn't look good in any case. But Germany did indeed let themselves infect by Israels leisurely pace. Add in cool temperatures and heavy rain, a friendly against unthreatening opposition and you got a lack of motivation. There is also rumor that there was a tactical order to mostly play over the wings. Took a lot of variability out of the game.
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    Though a 2-nil score line vs Israel is a bit unsatisfactory, it is a clean sheet victory.

    My worry is that Loew will go with Merte over Hummels - CRonaldo will put pretzels in Merte's legs.

    Saturday can't get here fast enough!
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    There is a very good chance that Ronaldo will have to deal with Lahm... again. :lol3

    Actually, 2-0 is acceptable. Israel is a very defensive team.

    Could very well be that Löw will play a 3/4 Bayern back four. Boateng has the physicality to defend against Ronaldo. I guess it is quite sure that Lahm will be put as left back and either Boateng or Höwedes will play right back.

    Hummels does not seem to be able to really transfer his club form, yet. It's very odd. He first has to get the long balls beaten out of him. He is allowed to play them for Dortmund, but not for the NT.
    Mertesacker brings a lot of international expereince to the CB combination. I think that's rather important. What I noticed is, that players need about 20 games to really "arrive" in the NT. A combination of Badstuber(18)/Hummels(12) has only 30 caps between them. With Mertesacker in the mix, that number is 97 or 91.

    The squad in general is even younger that the WC 2010 squad with only about 24.5 years. It's important to have enough experience on the field.
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    I think Boateng will wind up as the right back, meaning he'll be CRonaldo's main opponent. This gives me nightmares, nightmares which are only overshadowed by CRonaldo going up against the stiff Mertesaecker.

    Hummels is not the only defender that cannot raise the level of his national game to that of his club game - Hoewedes never comes close to his form he displays at Schalke when he plays for Germany.

    Loew has shown that he is no respecter of previous performance. I am hoping he continues this trait, meaning we should see Schuerle over Poldi, Hummels over Merte. I am hoping Jogi gets it right, or this could be a short Euro for us.:eek1

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    I think it is not that Löw questions Hummels or Höwedes qualities, but only that they haven't fully integrated into the NT and the play Löw expects yet. He will play them more after the Euro. Schürrle and Podolski are both pacy wingers. Schürrle seems to be a great substitution player and that will be his role. A tired defense is a good target.
    It will be interesting to see, if Klose gets his game up in time. I'd love a surprise with Reus as false 9, though that's something I'd expect more against Holland. They have tall enough defenders against headers. So a player able to play combinations on the ground will be best.
    He has a back bone team and won't shuffle that too much if not necessary.
  16. JNRobert

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    I'm beginning to feel sorry for England and all their injury woes. Latest is Cahil the excellent CB who had his jaw fractured in two places when the Belgian Mertens shoved him in the back.

    [​IMG]

    It was just a friendly for Christsakes. What was Mertens thinking?
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    He just wanted his goalie to get a hug. :lol3
    I think it can only help england if there is simply no expectation. They tend to get hyped into heaven by their local press and can only disappoint. There is no pressure on them.
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    :nod and based on the press on-line that I read, this is the first time since 1966 that I think the national consensus is realistic. A team that will probably go out in the first knockout round.

    The Spain - China friendly is just starting and there are actually Barca players starting (Busquets and Xavi). We'll see if that changes a pretty flat (but winning) team of the last few games. And Negredo on for Torres. :*sip*
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    Really, I have no problem with England getting decimated. The only team I like less than the three lions are the dutch. And I am very leary of them for this tourney. VanPersie is on form.
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    Yes, but their defense is as leaky as a orange rusted bucket.
    The German defense was leaky against France and Switzerland because the players were not adapted to each other, not because of lack of quality. Badstuber, Hummels, Boateng and Höwedes are great defenders, Lahm is exceptional. Mertesacker is slow, but knows where to stand to fuck up an attack.