The Official Garmin 62 and 78 Thread

Discussion in 'GPS 101 - Which GPS For Me' started by Emmbeedee, Sep 7, 2010.

  1. Emmbeedee

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    I never said the 62 was the best unit to have on a motorcycle, just that it's not fair to say this: "The entire 62 series should be recalled and crushed before some adventurer gets lost and dies because of it". The ONLY difference between the 78 and 62 is the cable connection - so why wouldn't you call for the crushing of both?

    The 62 works perfectly well as a handheld, and that's exactly how I use mine, on Lithium batteries.
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    LOL !!
    good answers
    better perspective now

    ( I still think they should buyback and crush all the 62's just because I am grouchy right now )

    :lol3

    and being that this is the 21st century , you'd think they could at least design a better battery holder than the spring bay design from the 1950's tin toys that is still in use ......sheesh
    at least have the battery snap firmly into position instead of depending on the spring tension of the contacts alone
  3. rickypanecatyl

    rickypanecatyl SE Asia adventure tours

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    Not offence Emmbeedee as I super-duper appreciate your insights but here's my simple man’s real world use perspective.

    The 62 is NOT as durable as the 60 in many areas and in my opinion that needs to be the number 1 criteria for this series. If your number 1 criteria are the features, the smart phones are now trumping Garmin and can be used in tandem or back up. If you don’t venture into harsh environments where the 60/62 shines why bother with either?

    Just in the last few weeks I'm starting to use my new to me smart phone more and more. Although the 62 is more feature rich than the 60 neither compares to it and I suspect that gap will continue to grow.
    I live in hard core, extreme environments (random tangent - ran into a tiger the other day) and I would never trust my Samsung Rugby smart alone in those areas; I really want a tough, dependable back up.
    So I guess my point is, since neither the 60 nor 62 compares to the smart phone in screen size, features, screen display etc. I think the best back up choice should be based on reliability, dependability and durability.

    Here's how the 60 trumps the 62: (Of course the 62 trumps the 60 in areas too, but right now I can't think of one where it is not blown away by the smart phones!)

    - 60 screen is more scratch resistant.
    - 60 is more waterproof.
    - 60 case is tougher.
    - (Mixed one here) Running off of battery power on a vibrating motorcycle the 60's screen fades out first BUT once the 62's screen fades out it stays out far longer and then goes out far quicker the next time it’s used.
    - Running off the power cable is no comparison! The 62 is a delicate flower in the rain; I've gone thru 2 of each and would say the 60 easily is 20X more durable.
    - Simpler screen on the 60 is far more readable quickly in sunlight; information from hovering the cursor over areas comes up much faster. Of course the 62 screen is prettier but once again pales compares to the smart phone.
    - HUGE ONE. I've used both 62 and 60's since they first came out. 3 times on me, 2 different 62 series acted just like they were working but had pictures of me on the map a couple miles from where I really was; a twilight zone type of thing. That's never happened with me with a 60 series and I could argue very few people could have used one more than me. Saved way points from where I was standing that all of a sudden were 2 miles away without me moving. These are great reminders to not let the map and compass part of your brain atrophied!
    Several times with the 62 (for some reason always in slightly wet/high humidity situations such as walking in thick fog/clouds) the 62 will lose the satellites even with fairly clear skies and will not be able to get a fix. It then works again after a couple days of drying out. It's happened on both of my 62's and never on the 60 though I've had the 60 much longer. That’s an all or nothing issue; when the 62 is working it gets/holds satellite signals 98% as good as the 60CSx.


    My thoughts are a good upgrade to the 60 would have been to have left it the same except for increasing the number of waypoints, length of tracts, possibly adding the 3 axis compass if the upgrade didn't compromise something else (I don't find it that accurate and so wouldn't want to sacrifice too much to add it).
  4. Emmbeedee

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    None taken.

    A few points I'd like to make:

    • This thread is not a comparison between the 60 and 62 series. Create another if that's your point.
    • Back when this thread was created there were very few alternatives so we thought the 62/78 series were good enough on bikes. They do have significant tracking and map advantages over the 60/76.
    • The 78 probably is usable on a bike for most people (But perhaps not you, Ricky), because it has a good power connector.
    • The Garmin Montana trumps them all at this point (IMHO) because it has many advantages, not the least of which is the Rugged Mount which has surface power connectors to the Montana. The larger display, Landscape/Portrait orientation also makes it better.


    Again, I have to say the 62 is not the best choice for motorcycle use. That's why I use my Montana for that.

    The 62 is still a great unit. Just not rugged enough.
  5. jestragon

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    I don't use my GPS much on my bike, but I do fieldwork in the West African bush and my 62s sees regular and rough use there (and the gps dangles on the shoulder strap of my pack while I'm riding, so while it doesn't suffer direct vibrations from the bars, it does bounce around a lot).

    I've had it a little over two years and it hasn't let me down so far. The ability to load map tiles is great (in comparison to the plain 62), because the Portuguese made some top quality topo maps of this place in the early 60s and no more accurate map material exists. The unit has been through two rainy seasons here (about 6' of rain in half a year) and very hot and very dusty weather as well. I put a screen protection films on it (which I also have on my cameras and phone screens and consider the equivalent of a UV filter on a cam lens) and I keep mine in a 60 model pouch, to protect against button wear and so on. The pouch obviously isn't an option for mounted bike use, but the screen protection has no impact on visibility.

    I used a 60 before in Gabon and won't deny it's toughness, but I'd be reluctant to say that the 62 is that much more fragile and don't have the impression that the screen is less scratch-resistant, speaking from my own experience at least.
  6. rickypanecatyl

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    My 62's feelings must have been hurt after that last post as this picture is from the ride I took just after that post:

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    The begining of that trail starts right here:

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    As I usually do I reset the trip computer at this point: trip odometer, max, average speed etc.
    It does things like this from time to time whereas my 60 never did this... almost like the 62 needs a remedial math course! :lol3
  7. rickypanecatyl

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    About a year ago my 62s had broken and I also had a broken 60 laying around as well. (The 60 had served me many hard years and I just didn't throw it away when I got the 62 which I killed by riding with it the micro USB connected in the rain cuz I hadn't read Embeeddee's warning yet! :lol3)

    I found out when I was sending the 62 in to get "worked on" that they weren't really going to work on it but send me a refurbished one and thus it didn't really matter how broken it was when I sent it in. They also said they could do the same with my 60 while I was sending the 62 in.

    I had only suspected the 62 screen scratched easier as my 60 went several years with no scratches and only was scratched by something pretty traumatic (a great story in itself). The 62 got scratched the first week and kept getting scratches. Since I was sending them both in AND I realized it didn't really matter how broke they were; they weren't really FIXING my units I decided to do a little unscientific scratch test side by side.
    On the Moh's scale of hardness I'd say the 60's a full point harder... and yet never cracked.
  8. Emmbeedee

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    What's the 62 supposed to have done here? It didn't reset? Or you reset after this?
  9. rickypanecatyl

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    This wasn't obvious from the picture, but from having done it many times I had traveled about 9 KM from where I did reset the computer NOT 14.2 KM as the computer says; I was about 5KM from where I reset the picture by the way the crow flies.

    What you can see in the picture is that my max speed after I reset the computer was 31.7 KM per hour. (Probably correct - I was trying to hussle but those are some hard core trails.)

    What's not possible is that although the Max speed I ever hit it that 30 minutes or so was 31.7 KM an hour I was miraculously able to maintain a moving average of 50.4 miles an hour! And I even had a overall average significantly higher than my max speed! :lol3

    You do know the Baja or Parris-Dakar boys would kill for those kind of numbers!

    You can't see this either but I also was not where I was really at on the map; I'll just call that the occasional twilight zone syndrome on my 62. Usually when the map has me not where I'm at you'll see crazy impossible #'s like this on the screen.
    Not really a problem when I know where I am. (Though yesterday I was bummed as I did want to know what my real overall average was to this point.)
    Is it dangerous though with out a back up if I really were in uncharted territory which I common am in.

    FWIW The 62 does not do this to me very often; but it is a good reminder to have a back up in hard places. Since I got this one back refurbished about 10 months ago I'm going to guess this was only the 5th incident and I use it 6 days a week.
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    It makes all speed calculations based on where it think it moved to. If it gets position wrong, speed will be wrong.
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    Just bought a new laptop. An asus q200. Whenever I plug my garmin 62 in to move stuff around on basecamp the screen goes dims it loads tracks and everything to 1% and shuts off. What is causing this? What can I do?
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    NVM figured it out. Needed to switch to usb mode.
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    just picked one of these up (62s) off Craigslist for $200 BNIB. :evil
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    For other buyers, the 78 is normally $200 new at WestMarine and it has 12v power input.
  15. Emmbeedee

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    Not the S model, but the 78 is a bargain anyway.
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    what is the "S" same as 60/76 or also camera?
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    The S model has the barometric altimeter, electronic compass, wireless file transfer and a couple of other extras. The SC model has the camera.
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    The "C" in 78sc denotes that it comes with US Coastal chart chip, not camera. 76--- & 78--- are marketed primarily as marine units by Garmin.
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    You're right. The 78SC has coastal maps. The 62SC has a camera. Too bad Garmin named the different models the same way, which I'm sure is confusing to some.
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    'tis the Garmin way? Like dropping good features and totally changing menus. Too bad for sure.