The Official Garmin 62 and 78 Thread

Discussion in 'GPS 101 - Which GPS For Me' started by Emmbeedee, Sep 7, 2010.

  1. Emmbeedee

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    There's an update available for the 62/78 series:

    Changes from version 4.80 to version 4.90:
    Added support for additional ActiveRouting cartography
    Fixed issue with incorrect letter capitalization of certain map points
    Fixed issue where wirelessly transmitting a geocache to another device would result in an error message when trying to view the received geocache in BaseCamp (62s, 62st, 78s, 78sc)

    Use Garmin Web Updater to get it.

    Seems to work well on my 62S. Hasn't bricked it yet, anyway. :lol3
  2. wbbnm

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    I am curious why you are still using the 62 when you have a Montana.

    I haven't touched my 60 since I got the Montana. I use it even for gnarly mountain single track where it is at some risk of being broken.
  3. Emmbeedee

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    I use the 62S mostly for Geocaching. I don't want to clutter up the Montana with thousands of Geocaches since they're in the same category as waypoints and if I want to see user waypoints, I see Geocaches.

    I sure wish Garmin would make a distinction between caches and user waypoints.

    And the 62/78 series is almost as good as the Montana for many purposes. They're all light years ahead of the 60/76, so there's no real comparison there.
  4. Countdown

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    This is the comparison I have fouind so far.

    76 vs 78
    Features worse on 78
    Welcome Message
    On 78 it must be created in PC & downloaded to 78, on 76 it is a page.
    Loss of External Power
    78 will not allow it to stay on after loss. Big issue for me.
    Tracks Listing Order
    78 does not lists Tracks Alpha/Numeric for easy editing like 76. It now does it by proximity which is good for riding. Big issue for Dual Sport event riders.
    Archived Tracks Listing Order
    78 does not lists Tracks Alpha/Numeric. It does it by proximity which is good for riding. Should be option.
    Active Log
    78 will not start a new Active Log every time Record is turned on. It just keeps adding points to one Active Log Track with long unreal straight lines if you move when off. 76 will. Big issue for me.
    On/Off Recording Active Log
    78 takes 4 Enters to get to Track Page Setup to view or change it. 76 takes 1 Enter, it shows status and is controllable on Track Page. Because of above N/A.
    Back Up Active Log
    The 78 will not record a backup Active Log on the Data Card, 76 will, it can’t be cleared from GPS and Card can be read if GPS fails. Big issue for me.
    Uploading Active Log
    Only current day uploads with MapSource, previous day’s files must be copied with Explore. 76 will upload them all at once. Just more work for nothing.
    Autorouting Base Map
    78 does not have one, 76 does. Useless in car.
    USB External Power
    78 can not be used with dead batteries running off USB power from PC. You do not need batteries for 76. Run on 12V from bike and USB from PC.

    Features better on 78
    Saved Track Memory size
    78 has almost unlimited number of 2,000 point capacity.
    Time setting
    78 has Auto Time Zone to Current Location setting. This is new feature.
    Active Log
    78 lets you record but not show Active Log. This is new good feature for Dual Sport event riders.
    Changing Map Set
    Basically same button pushes but 78 Map status is much more clear. Not many people do it.
  5. Cataract2

    Cataract2 Where to?

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    Sound similar to me. I got a 78s first for riding, but wanted the Montana for the bigger screen. Was about to sell the 78s until my wife suggested we try flat watering kayaking. Well, since the 78 floats it made a good gps to bring along.
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    :scratch

    Suck all the waypoints/geocaches off the device using whatever software you so desire. I like LoadMyTracks. Save it as "geocaches.gpx".
    Then wipe the waypoints (either delete-all in the list, or "delete all waypoints" from reset) and squirt in a different file with waypointy-waypoints.

    I've got hundreds of .gpx files on my computer. If i"m going sledding at rabbit ears, i'll wipe the receiver and squirt in "rabbit ears.gpx" which has all the parking lots, radio towers, snotels, trail intersections, hazards, etc for that area. Get home, pull off any waypoints I may have dropped, download tracks, save it with my photos from the day, then wipe the receiver for the next trip.
  7. Emmbeedee

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    Thanks for the suggestion but it's a lot easier for me to just keep the 62S for the caches.
  8. Emmbeedee

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    See responses within your text.
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    SnowMule [angry moth noises]

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    wait - 78 has no "Stay On" when external power is removed? :huh

    ...Seriously.... the fuck?

    That's gonna be hell on teh snowmobile (Batteryless).
  10. Emmbeedee

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    It gives you 30 seconds to choose for it to stay on but it can't be set to stay on automatically when the external power is cut off.
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    Perhaps I am missing something but when I plug my 78 (or any other new generation unit of customers) into USB from PC, the GPS turns off and it just behaves like a thumb drive, external memory etc. You can no longer use the GPS.

    Very big PITA, plug it in, download something, unplug it (it goes off), Power on GPS, check what was loaded, plug it back into PC, do some other upload download, unplug it, Power on GPS again, etc, etc, etc,

    With last generation units you plug them in and do all the work you want, unplug it and give it back to customer with power still on and they walk away checking it.
  12. Emmbeedee

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    That's because the gps is set to serial mode so it goes into Mass Storage Mode automatically. You can change it to Spanner mode then when you plug it into a computer, it'll ask if you want Mass Storage Mode or not. But I don't think you can load files to it when it's not in MS mode.

    And when you bitch about the gps shutting off when it's unplugged, you should understand that part of the reason it does this is that the gps needs to restart to see all the new files or changes you made, and reindex those changed files, etc. It's in the bootup process that it sets itself up properly.
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    Yes to all of the above. I set to Spanner, pluged in USB, clicked No, and GPS stays on but PC can't talk to it, in or out.

    Not sure what this mode is good for. All it seems to be good for is powering 78 from USB 5V with USB interface detected.

    While messing with this found another possible GIANT FLAW. I can't find a way to delete a single Waypoint?
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    I understand that Profiles let you change several of the various settings at one time, like Map.

    Questions are:
    What all variables can you change with a profile?
    How do you create a new profile? (I created one by accident but have no idea what I set)
  15. Emmbeedee

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    Sorry to disappoint you. Keep looking. You can delete individual waypoints. Look at the offending waypoint; hit Menu button.
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    Menu/Menu/Setup/Profiles. You can have 10 profiles. If you click Create Profile it will copy the current profile to a new one called Profile X.

    You can change almost anything with a profile but some elements are common over all Profiles. Play with it. It's a powerful feature.
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    From waypoint page, with offending waypoint highlighted, push "Menu" and only choices are:
    Spell Search
    Sort
    Select Symbol
    Delete All
    Which obviously apply to the page not waypoint.

    If I open a waypoint, only choice is "Go", if I then puch "Menu" only choices are:
    Review Point (shows data on waypoiont as expected)
    Setup Map (goes to regulare map setup page for a reason only garmin understands)
    Setup Marine (who cares)
    Restore Defaults (too dangereous)
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    Its a no-brainer.

    Go to 'Waypoint Mgr.', select your waypoint and press 'Enter'. When it's data information screen appears, press the 'Menu' button. 'Delete' is at the top of the list.
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    No Brainer? To delete a Waypoint on my 78:

    Find
    Scroll to "Waypoints"
    Enter
    Menu
    Scroll to "Review Point"
    Enter
    Menu (only one option Edit Waypoint, would think delete would be an edit option)
    Enter (Opens waypoint data page but there is no delete option)
    Menu
    Scroll to "Delete" (it is at top, also a lot of other nice options)
    Enter
    Scroll to "Yes"
    Enter


    To delete a Waypoint on 60/76:
    Find
    Scroll to "Waypoints"
    Enter
    Scroll to "Delete"
    Enter
    Scroll to "Yes"
    Enter
    This is no brainer, all very obvious choices.
  20. Emmbeedee

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    It's only a no-brainer if you do it as you should: go to Waypoint Manager, not Find.

    You can't delete through the Find mechanism.