The Official Garmin 62 and 78 Thread

Discussion in 'GPS 101 - Which GPS For Me' started by Emmbeedee, Sep 7, 2010.

  1. dlh62c

    dlh62c Long timer

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    For someone who suggested that people buy the 78, you sure seem to be having quite a bit of trouble using one.
  2. Emmbeedee

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    I just bought a 78S at a pawn shop.
  3. Cataract2

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    I'm getting the impression that he expects the 62/78 should work like the older models. Stuck in his ways and doesn't want to learn new things.
  4. Emmbeedee

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    Yes, it sounds like he'd only be truly happy if the 78 was identical in every way to the 76.
  5. NorthernTraveler

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    Countdown is used to using what WORKS for his usage without alot of finagling.

    Others on here are 'early adopters' who get to deal with all the things that don't quite work... yet. That's not to say they won't get there, but lots of things don't quite work like they used to and there doesn't seem to be good reasons WHY they were changed.

    Sure, he, and I, would like some updates - newer receiver chips, standard memory cards, more and longer tracks and routes. But the user interface on the older units works pretty good... as does the package (case, screen size, resolution) on a number of units - 276c, 398/498, etc. Some slightly older units work reasonably well, just need bigger screen - 60/76 series come to mind.

    And you'd be hard pressed to find somebody who's been involved with technology on motorcycles longer than Countdown... if you don't know why his user name is what it is, check it out.

    You'd also be hard pressed to find somebody who has done more GPS usage than him.... look at the number of routes/tracks/events that he's been involved in.

    I've been using GPS's on my bikes/sleds well over a decade for riding, and nearly a decade to route/plan/ride/distribute stuff.... lots of stuff. I tend to agree with most of his complaints on some of the newer units. Heck, I use units that nobody else is even thinking of running and making it work - look at the pic of my bike's GPS's on the early Mobius 10 ride report.

    I'm experimenting with other even more exotic Garmin stuff, and sometimes it seems like they deliberately make it hard for us to use it for our purposes. Why? They already have the software to do what we want to do, why did they take it out? Sheesh! These are units for a different market segment, but if the software was right the hardware is more than capable of doing what we are asking of Garmin....

    Oh, and I've sent those suggestions along to Garmin and it seems to have fallen on deaf ears.
  6. Countdown

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    Very interesting, the "Waypoint Manager" page looks exactly like the "Find" "Waypoints" page but works different.

    To delete a waypoint on 78:

    Menu
    Menu
    Scroll to "Waypoint Manager"
    Enter
    Scroll to "Waypoint"
    Enter (Opens waypoint data page but there is no delete option)
    Menu (Why would anyone remember to do this?)
    Scroll to "Delete" (it is at top, also a lot of other nice options)
    Enter Scroll to "Yes"
    Enter


    To delete a Waypoint on 60/76:
    Find
    Scroll to "Waypoints"
    Enter
    Scroll to "Delete"
    Enter
    Scroll to "Yes"
    Enter
    This is no brainer, four less steps and all are very obvious choices.
  7. Countdown

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    Yes very true. I think the 78 should be a better 60/76 with more features and more capacity. There is no rational reason why ANY 60/78 feature was dropped. It should not have a whole new human interface. Unless there was some over riding reason to change a human interface because a new feature was just not compatible it is stupid to arbitrarily change them.

    I am very happy to learn how to use new features but pissing away my time to learn how to use features I have been using for 10 years does not make me happy.

    The 60/76 human interface is known by hundreds of my customers. New customers are just starting to appear with new generation units. In the past new GPS users could ask anyone in the parking lot how to do something and get help. With the new generation units, they might as well ask their question in Chinese, they will get the same response. What do they do? They come to me and I don't get a kickback from Garmin for doing their job.

    Comments like "you only do the Welcome message once, what's the problem?" is obviously not made by someone who deals with the public. To the typical dirt rider that thinks his GPS is a piece of space hardware, using a PC to write a welcome message in some application he has never herd of, is so far beyond stupid, it defies explaniation.

    I do design space hardware and NASA would fire any contractor in a second who had two devices that do the same thing and intended to be operated by an astronaut on a space walk that had such different human interfaces. These two interfaces should be used as prime examples of a piss poor design in system engineering text books.

    A classic example: I was in a design review for the Airborn Laser, an anti missle weapon in a 747. Some airforce general took one look at the proposed control stick and said "is their any reason why you can't use a Game Controller stick? every one of our airmen have hundereds of hours practice with that design. Common sense is the best disign driver.
  8. Emmbeedee

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    It is. And if you use the Classic profile, it even looks like a 60/76 but without all the limitations.

    Yes, it is a different gps and Garmin did change some things, but if users are counting on you to figure out their gps and don't want to do any of it themselves, then they'll forever be in the dark. Or lost in the woods.
  9. Emmbeedee

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    I actually spent many years helping users with software and online teaching environments, and I always made a point of knowing what I was teaching, and teaching the users how to use it themselves. I was not doing things for them and making constant remarks about how bad this new design is. Blah blah. Who cares? It is what it is.

    People don't want to know what you or I think of something - they want to know how to use it.

    Give us a break - they don't make the 60 and 76 anymore. And I'm glad they don't.
  10. Countdown

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    You are comparing oranges and apples. You were teaching so obviously students were your customers, they wanted knowledge about a subject. My customers have no desire for knowledge, they just want to ride their motorcycle. Many of them show up with new GPS still in the box and those guys probably do not own a PC or have e-mail. If they did any setup at all it was to make map "Track Up" and that is it.

    The ONLY reason I bought a 78 is so I could learn how to use it and write user instructions for my Dual Sport riders. I do appreciate you and others helping clearify many of the obscure features (my point). For now most 78s are in hands new users but in a year or so when more 60/76 start failing, they will be in the hands of former 60/76 users and they will be more frustrated than I am. This is why I compare every 78 function to old 60/76 function so they can transition a little easier. I don't know of a single rider who upgraded to 78 because they thought it is better in any way.

    Please feel free to read the instructions on my web site and make any comment. Sorry about formating that is what I got for free.

    On your second statement, why are you glad that a product was discontinued that so many people find very satisfactory?
  11. Emmbeedee

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    I was teaching the teachers.

    I can't believe your attitude with regard to riders who attend your events. Do you really think they're that dumb? But if they're showing up without having even opened the box on their gps, then perhaps they are.

    So you encourage their lack of preparedness by trying to ensure their gps is trailing edge technology?

    Re: who upgraded from a 60/76 to a modern gps like the Montana, Oregon, 62/78 - I did and so did my wife. When the Oregon was released, we each bought a 550, but I kept my 60CSx and she kept her 76CSx. But after a couple of months of using the Oregon, we couldn't go back to the legacy units so we sold them. I still had a Legend HCx for a year just to lend to visitors but nobody wanted it, so it was sold too.

    And I'm glad Garmin stopped making the 60 and 76 because the only reason people would prefer them is because they are familiar, having been the standard for quite a while. No other reason I can think of. And I've had many 60/76 units over the years. At least 7 that I can remember.
  12. Emmbeedee

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    Now I'm trying to figure out which to keep, and which to sell.

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    I really do prefer the 62's shape, but the 78's 4 pin plug may be handy someday. Both are S (sensor) models, and the 78S is actually $15 more than the 62S on the GPSCity site.

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    Hey Jerry, why do you say that the basemap in these models is not auto-routing? See the description below from Javawa.

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  13. Countdown

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    Based on my .gpx download fiasco, I should try it again. I had R & R enabled which is not a problem with my 76 but perhaps it is on 78. The name of basemap is different so I assumed (never assume).

    Edit
    Map does not have the word "Autoroute", just "Worldwide DEM Basemap, NR"

    Did I get screwed with new or old version?
  14. Countdown

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    I never said they were dumb, they just have no interest in playing with electronic toys, they are interested in ridiing. Below are a couple of threads just before a GPS only ride on So Cal.

    http://www.district37ama.org/forums/showthread.php?t=59143

    http://www.district37ama.org/forums/showthread.php?t=59003

    By the way you have not pointed out one single advantage of the new generation units for Dual Sport Events.
  15. Emmbeedee

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    No, I gave that up long ago. It's clear that nobody's going to change your mind, so why even try?

    Besides, this is not the 'Is the 60/76 better than the 62/78?' thread. Maybe it's time we remembered that.

    Start your own thread if that's your point.
  16. 250senuf

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    When the 78 is booting up watch the bottom of the screen very closely, the description/name of the basemap will show briefly. Mine shows 5.01, autorouting.
  17. HogWild

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    To a large extent I think you guys are talking past each other. Your usage is different, so your view of the product is different. Jerry is right on track if you put yourself in his shoes. I bought a 78 for much the same reason as Jerry. I need to know how they work so I can tailor my rides and GPS data accordingly. Now that's I've used the 78 for a few rides, I have yet to find a SINGLE feature that I need or my ride/race participants need that is better on the 78 compared to the 76. And there are many features that are now more complicated to use on the 78. But this is all from my very specific and uncommon usage point of view. My wife would throw BOTH in the trash if she ever had to use them, because neither one would "talk" to her.
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    Took me 10 tries to read it, must be there for at least 10 mSec. It does say autorouting but when I go to map setup and maps it does not say autorouting?
  19. Countdown

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    Scott, I finally got my 78 setup instructions posted on my web site, take a look and see if you have any comments.

    The stuff I am playing with now like routing, DS event riders never use. I love my 76 for routing up and down 395. It tells me ETA for each town waypoint. This is very critical for planning meals which my Nuvi won't do. Still can't seem to get the 78 to do anything helpful.
  20. Crawdaddy

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    Sounds familiar :lol3

    I was thinking of buying a 78 or Montana for the same reasons as you and Jerry.......it's really too bad Garmin shit canned the 60/76 series.....