The OFFICIAL we will have NFL in 2011 thread

Discussion in 'Sports' started by Jurgen, Feb 11, 2011.

  1. Jurgen

    Jurgen Trolljegeren Super Moderator

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    Name will be changed if he have it. :huh
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  2. Norhasken

    Norhasken Tryin' to find my way

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    Nope, too much greed to go around this time for a March labor agreement.
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  3. linkweewee

    linkweewee tantum quantum

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    Bet ya megamillionaire rookies like Bradford are glad they got in before the door slammed shut.
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  4. Jurgen

    Jurgen Trolljegeren Super Moderator

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    Where will Vick be in 2011? What about Kolb? Will Detroit be the number 2 team in the NFC North? Will Minnesota move? Will a last minute agreement be made in August? Will there be an 18 game schedule?....
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  5. linkweewee

    linkweewee tantum quantum

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    That's an interesting question considering the state of disrepair of the HHHump right now and with the upcoming NFL labor dispute. Minnesota without the Vikings? I can't see it happening but am sure Cleveland said the same thing about the Browns...
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  6. pilot

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    Minnesota ain't going nowhere.

    The Vikings, on the other hand, may be moving to California.
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  7. AC Swank

    AC Swank Banned

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    I for one don't think there will be a team in the LA area for many more years for the following reasons:

    1. Cost

    The owners don't have enough money to build a stadium and run a team. That is why they all seek public funding however those who want to provide the public funding are only in it for the money they themselves would make in the deal. Lose - lose for all. No one is looking out for Joe Public.

    2. Community

    Most if not all of the current teams deliver a community presense which most of the locals identify with. That has not worked in three previous attempts with teams in the LA area and as nothing in that regard has changed, will not happen this time either. LA is not one large city, it s a vast area with well over 50 cities and towns, each different from another. Add in Orange County and Long Beach to the south, the valley and inland empire to the east, a team here would need to appeal to an area and population the size of many countries. A much better option to deal with this would be to have three teams, one in LA, one in OC, and one in the inland empire which is more than the NFL can do.

    3. Weather

    Don't tell anyone but the weather here in southern California cann't be beat. When the rest of the country is getting ready for fall and winter, we are still going to the beach, out riding, camping, and many more outdoor activities. Yes, it might rain one or two days, but other than that there is little need to limit your outdoor exposure here during the fall and winter times. Would you want to be in a stadium with 60-70k people or outside riding when the weather is in the high 70's and the sky is clear? Not many of us do either.

    4. Other football

    Southern California has always supported football, we have two of the best college teams right here, USC and UCLA. Sure some years they are not so good, but much like the Bears and Lions, there are many die-hard fans. Also some of the best high school teams in the nation play here. Yea, Friday nights are busy in the fall and winter.
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  8. fishkens

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    What kind of screwed up business model has the Cardinals moving to Phoenix, the Rams moving to St. Louis and the Vikings moving to LA?

    St. Louis Rams and LA Vikings make no sense.

    But then again, the LA Lakers and Utah Jazz are both silly names post-team relocations.

    18 games is wrong.

    Vick will be in Philly. Kolb sent somewhere.

    Bears will still be #2 to Green Bay.

    LA will get a franchise in the next 5 years. The NFL cannot avoid the lure of the 2nd biggest market and all that $$$.
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  9. Hodag

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    Da Pack repeats
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  10. rbrsddn

    rbrsddn 3banger

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    Not according to Rex "Blowhard" Ryan. Jets are going to win it all. :lol3
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  11. fishkens

    fishkens Long timer

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    Didn't he say that about last year?
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  12. viajero

    viajero Too old to be a nOOb

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    No games in 2011.

    Jerry Jones goes bankrupt.:clap

    (and this from a Cowboy fan)
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  13. Hodag

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    deal signed by june
    18 game season in 2012
    harsh rookie cap
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  14. ]I)Money

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    I'm with cheeseboy. I dont' think that the beating that baseball took hasn't been lost on the NFL. Maybe we need a facebook page...:lol3
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  15. Jurgen

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    18 games? We'll see it- we'll also see more mediocre play, especially at QB. It is tough to get through 16 games healthy. Plus more "meaningless" games late in the season... plus side is perhaps more "meaningful" games too. Just don't want to be a season ticket holder to a down team, but good for Sunday Ticket.

    Somebody (jaguars/vikings...) will be in L.A. in two to three years. Too many large corporate $$ there to be ignored much longer. I do think Armchair makes good points on why, again, it may not be a success.

    I have little sympathy for the current Rookie pay scale. "I was drafted 10th and last years 10th earned X so I need X+...." Some years it is almost a punishment to a team to finish last/draft first... other years not so bad.

    Settlement will be in early August, not June.
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  16. Grainbelt

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    Local political scene is far too toxic for a stadium build right now. MN Gov appointed a stadium guru to look after Xcel Center (Wild want their debt refinanced) Target Center (Timberpups want 150myn renovations) Metrodome (clusterfuck) and unnamed minor league baseball stadium in lowertown St. Paul for the Saints and other festivities. Basically he's said this is a huge moneygrab and we don't want each municipality trying to cut deals and bring them to the legislature later. Good plan, actually.

    Vikings owners the Wilfs have said they'll cover 1/3 of a ~700myn open-air stadium, which the state will never agree to as they need it covered to (potentially) host things like NCAA final four regionals, monster trucks, and supercross. Last estimate for a new covered stadium was just under a billion dollars.

    Most recently discussed site is a former ammunition plant in a suburb north of saint paul, where there are two tiny highways, no light rail, no other retail. Only place that makes sense is the current metrodome site, for the easy access, parking, light rail, and local business presence.

    I'd rather they just moved to LA. Eight home games a year for a billion dollars in debt to service... a billion dollars would go a long way towards crumbling roads, expanding light rail, and improved community centers in other parts of the state. Local sportswriters have been beating the drum about how 'we' could 'lose' the vikings. For the 95% of the population that doesn't have 100 bucks a seat plus food and parking to attend the games, they can watch it on TV like they always have...
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  17. xr400r

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    will we have an NFL? I sure hope not....
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  18. Hodag

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    where is that ammo plant?we re-enacted at one years ago in gopher munitions in rosemont
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  19. Grainbelt

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    Just east of 35W in Arden Hills. I can never get google maps to embed properly but here goes

    edit: failed again here's the link

    MAP
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  20. Jim Moore

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    18 and 2 is better than 16 and 4, for the fans at least. Those pre-season games totally suck.
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