The old fart's new idea: a KTM 1190

Discussion in 'Ridiculous streetbikes with 6 CPUs and too much HP' started by Born1944, Jul 2, 2014.

  1. scudrunner82

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    Yes, the 2013 models are officially different from the 2014s. The rest of the world got them first, and the USA only took delivery in 2014.

    As far as I know the only 2013s that made it in the USA were dealer demos.

    For a list of updates, Inmate Rob Zorba can help you, he is very knowledgeable on the model differences.

    It doesn't sound like they are giving you much of a deal on that demo... Without question I'd get the 2014, or even wait for a 2015 if they don't have any left.
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  2. PineyMountainRacing

    PineyMountainRacing Oops....

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    Or shop a couple different dealers, I'm not one to shop for lowest price only, other things are important to me, but you do need to see what's out there. Good luck!
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  3. DirtJack

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    2013s did not have MSC(Motorcycle Stability Control) which provides lean angle sensing for traction control and ABS. 2013s can be upgraded to have MSC, but as others have said, buy a 2014.
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  4. Born1944

    Born1944 RoadcrafterAlwaysOn

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    So I am asking my local dealer that has the '13 demo, to look into what it takes to add whatever necessary to get the MSC.

    Some web searches have turned up info that the '13s have the hardware, but need a software update to have the MSC operational.

    This, because no one else has a '14, and I am being told there are none available. One dealer out in Colorado Springs has one, but he ain't dealing, either on price, or my trade-in. I am a two-day ride from there via US20-I39-I88-I80-I76-I70-I25. A lot of pounding.

    But then there is this. The ST is a better way to do all that, and if I buy the '14 in CO, my new home (just made a deal on a property today, closing early Aug), I will have the newer bike, 1200 fewer miles on it, and not have to slab-way it out.

    Or maybe this. Keep the ST for iron-butt interstate work, get the new ADV for the twisties and back roads of the central and northern Rockies.
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  5. mlyamkaw

    mlyamkaw Drill Baby Drill

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    There are lots of 2014 models available, S model. Probably no R models around, or few and far between. I wouldn't be surprised if you could swing the deal you are looking at for a new 2014. As others have said, better off with a 2014.
    See Traderonline for an example of what is available.
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  6. breakfastbuddy

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    and i got the update MCN (Motorcycle Stability Control, its just a program, all the hardware is on the bika already ) for free and i got the 2014 airbox , i have been driving 600 km on a day ( 375 miles) its 150 HP but have 4 different way of dillivery , i am happy with it, the side stand is smaler on the 2013 model , but i welded on a bigger foot ,
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  7. Born1944

    Born1944 RoadcrafterAlwaysOn

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    Well, it is down to this.

    I am in Chicagoland, home of the most boring terrain on earth, for many many miles in all directions. ADV bikes are sold, but most bikers prefer Harley Davidsons here. For any ten bikes seen on the road, 8 or 9 will be H-Ds.

    So, I am finding quite a bit of availability of brand new 2014 KTM 1190 Adventure machines, in both colors.

    And the dealers discount by first knocking the delivery fee to zero, and then knocking down from the list of $16,499.

    So, I'll take the ST around next week and shop for the best deal on price and trade.

    But here is the rub. No one has panniers in stock, some are mumbling about availability, and I am in a rush.
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  8. mlyamkaw

    mlyamkaw Drill Baby Drill

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    Try Bumot panniers or Jessee bags. I wouldn't get the KTM bags. I bought the Bumot.
    There is a thread on here for various hard bag options for the bike.
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  9. RobZorba

    RobZorba Been here awhile

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    Take your time to choose the best luggage - and like @mlyamkaw@ said, there are many options much better than KTM offerings, so read the 1190 luggage thread. In the meantime, perhaps get a waterproof luggage roll? - the KTM PowerParts one is really good - and strap it to your passenger seat. This is a much safer way to carry heavy items than using top or side cases.
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  10. pinglow

    pinglow Adventurer wannabe!

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    Have you considered the XT1200ZE?

    You could sell the ST and you get comfort + dead reliability...:evil
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  11. Born1944

    Born1944 RoadcrafterAlwaysOn

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    Yes, I tried out the Yamaha last summer when I was riding the TX hill country. I liked it, but the KTM seems to have better technology for safety.
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  12. Cuchulainn

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    I was told that same thing by the two big dealers here, the one in Denver and Colorado Springs. Both said that there were none available.

    I ended up calling Elite KTM in Loveland, because I was really just looking for a test ride on the 1190 Adventure, after testing the R down in CO Springs. The owner of Elite has a 2013. They happened to have just received 2 Adventures and 1 or 2 R's from a dealer on the East Coast the Saturday I called. I ran down to have a test ride on Tuesday AM and the rest is history.

    Long story short, keep calling, including some of the smaller dealers like Elite. You may find that they have gotten one in from elsewhere.

    Downside is, they won't do much for you on a trade. They sell KTM's only and about the only thing they will do on your current bike is put out a "buy order," to see if any other dealers have interest. Your best bet would be a private sale or consign it.
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  13. Born1944

    Born1944 RoadcrafterAlwaysOn

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    Looks as if a buy in Chicagoland is going to be necessary
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    Bluesilver Been here awhile

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    The shaft and HUGE service intervals and YAMAHA'S proven build quality, you ever try the Tenere? If you set on the 1190 stay away from the 2013...UNLESS the dealer can show you ALL warranies issue done and you want an uni filter fitted...then you have a '2014' bike.
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  16. Born1944

    Born1944 RoadcrafterAlwaysOn

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    Sure enough, here in the land of boring straight roads, totally flat terrain, and 95 percent H-D bikes with helmet-free riders, a local dealer is trying to sell me a new 2014 1190 ADV, and offering a nice discount, PLUS a fair trade-in figure for my ST1100.

    Totally different from Colorado, where I'm going.

    They're about out of them out there, and no deals, and no trade for my Honda.

    Speaking of which, anybody seen the Honda V4 1200 they dub the VFR1200X, with its Honda luggage, etc?
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