The Porsche Thread

Discussion in 'Shiny Things' started by Bongolia, Aug 6, 2009.

  1. Xtremjeepn

    Xtremjeepn Motorhead!

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    I dunno. Even at 400k produced (which drops year after year with wrecks, etc) that is still only 1 per every 17,500 people on the planet. :lol3

    A car doesn't lose its "fun to drive" nature simply by being older. :deal The Boxster is still a stellar car to drive when viewed as an individual. We lose sight of this by trying to compare it to newer versions designed to out perform previous generations.

    The "fun per dollar" increases dramatically as these cars hit the used market. You can have just as much (or more) fun in a 10 year old Boxster than the original owner did but at a fraction of the cost! :deal

    I love picking up great cars for less money than the original owner lost in depreciation. :lol3 Easier to just leave them in the collection that way and not have to sell them to finance the next new one:deal
  2. Desmofan

    Desmofan Been here awhile

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    The whole IMS shaft bearing hysteria trashed the M96 engined Porsche resale values (less than .5 % failures up to 2002, then maybe 5% till 2009).

    Like my 2002 S, throw $2000 at it for a new clutch and LN Engineering IMS bearing somewhere south of 100K miles, and it will run forever :D
  3. HOT DAMN!

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    This.
  4. pfb

    pfb Riding, not skiing.

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    30%+ value retention in a luxury car after 10+ years is actually pretty fantastic. Just the way it is with luxury vehicles.
    Very low miles and perfect condition has much less effect on overall value than you might expect, unless it becomes a 'collector' car, than the value spread between a low mileage mint car and an average condition car starts to expand geometrically!

    If value retention (along with fun driving experience) is your goal, buying a 2014 Boxster/Cayman or hell for that matter a 2014 anything isn't the way to go. Take that $65K and buy a $40K pristine 2002 996 Turbo and $25K on a 2014 Ford Fiesta upgraded to street legal but SCCA B-Spec race trim (coilovers, short shifter, seats, roll bar). My guess is that the 996 Turbos are the next Porsche to see a big positive price adjustment. Still going down right now, but with its styling, performance, Metzger engine, and comparatively low volume, I can't imagine the price won't flatten out at $32-35K and start to climb back up.

    But buying an older, out of warranty Porsche really doesn't work for the 'drive it to the shop and have them fix it' crowd. Service costs might eat you alive. My 996 C2 is overall an extremely easy and satisfying car to work on (with a few exceptions of course), with readily available and reasonably priced parts. Doesn't mean dealers don't shotgun repairs with lots of unneeded and hugely marked up parts. A DIY full brake job on my 996 was about $400 with OEM pads, top quality rotors, and race fluid. Dealers get $2,000+. DIY oil change, $100 with Redline group V synthetic. Dealer, $290 with Mobil 1 0W-40 (which should definitely be avoided in M96 engines). Fix my tiny coolant leak? $30 online for the genuine Porsche updated cap vs. $600 the shop wanted to replace the entire coolant tank (which was fine).
  5. RocketJohn

    RocketJohn Hook em' Horns!

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    The most expensive Porsche is the cheapest Porsche.

    Isn't that how that goes?

    You get what you pay for.

    Now back to my point.

    The convertible Cayman is better looking than the hardtop version:

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  6. longtallsally

    longtallsally Yeah I'm a chick

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    I gotta say, I'm not diggin' it. It kinda has a strange Ferrari thing in the front and then classic Boxster on the side. :dunno

    I'm a ways out from making any new vehicle decisions based on the current size of the fleet and available space (but most importantly funds) so it is more or less irrelevant, but for eye candy, after watching this:

    <iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/VHsZW_SSkLk" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

    I'm kinda hooked on the new 911. It did something for me in terms of seeing the car used REAL world and pretty functional.

  7. 91Eunos

    91Eunos zipper suited sun god

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    come out to the track with me some time...would love to see how you do in whatever you choose to drive against my CR. Better yet I'll be in my "chick car" Miata.

    Good luck...
  8. STANIMAL

    STANIMAL SUPPORT THE SECOND

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    If you think that I made a serious statement , You need to rethink driving a car on a track.Your poor decision making could get other people hurt .
  9. Arch

    Arch Incurable Gearhead

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    Hey gang, haven't been around much lately, but this thread made me wanna post a pic or two of my little '11 Cayman S. It's been a complete joy thus far...

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  10. LuciferMutt

    LuciferMutt Rides slow bike slow

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    Isn't the "convertible Cayman" the same thing as Boxster? Just like a "hardtop Boxster" would be a Cayman?
  11. RocketJohn

    RocketJohn Hook em' Horns!

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    Very nice "hardtop boxster" Arch! Good to see you around these parts...
  12. pfb

    pfb Riding, not skiing.

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    Just to clarify, when I said the Boxster no longer had an optional hardtop, I meant a removable hardtop as was offered on the 987's, though others like to euphemistically call the Cayman a 'Boxster Hardtop'...

    Removable hardtops like this are no longer available for the 'new' Boxster.... But the soft tops are much higher quality than they used to be.

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    If you love open top cars, by all means go for the new Boxster, but the new Cayman has a much stiffer chassis, more horsepower in all configurations, more torque in all configurations, is quicker in all configurations, and (IMHO) is far better looking as well based on seeing them in person side-by-side...
  13. 91Eunos

    91Eunos zipper suited sun god

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    simmah down dude... perceptions and misperceptions work both ways, especially in print...& have done just fine on track so far, including instructing for HPDEs (and flying for Uncle Sugar) for many years.

    Sorry I missed the joke, been spending too much time in the basement I suppose... Still happy to bring ya to the track...make your way to the hill country & I'll treat you to a day at our local track on me. Moving on...

    OT: Got the flyer for the new Cayman sent out to current owners today and went to the 981 launch at the local dealer here last month. Gotta say that despite my love for my 987's curves I love the way the new Cayman looks in profile. Slowly getting sold on a Panamera for the next Daddy Car too...had one on loan for a week while my car was in for service and it proved to be pretty damn useful hauling the family around.

    Met more of my neighbors who stopped by to see the Panamera and wanted me to take them for a ride this week than with either of the little track toys in the year we've been living here since moving back from Germany! :rofl
  14. Arch

    Arch Incurable Gearhead

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    Hola, old friend!
  15. 68deluxe

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    They were overpriced when new, Porsche had really driven the prices up and almost put themselves out of business. IIRC an early 90's 911 cost about the same as a 2005 911. The Boxster saved Porsche for a few years until the Cayenne really brought in the money.
  16. 68deluxe

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    I have had a 2001 Boxster base and a 2006 997S, Boxster ran like a top for 3 years and only problem was the ignition switch. The 997S was another thing entirely, a lemon whose maintenance history was hidden from me by the dealer. I found after I bought the CPO car that it had hundreds of over-revs and when the tranny had to be replaced the dealer threatened the original owner with invalidating the warranty if he kept abusing the car. There were also mods done to the car not disclosed at the time of sale. I paid $78K and two years later dumped it for $48K after I found out about the maintenance history. Car never did handle right and was not in the shop enough to qualify for lemon law replacement. I would buy another Boxster in a second but just not from the lying scumbag weasels at the local dealer.
  17. Desmofan

    Desmofan Been here awhile

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    That amuses me. I just had to replace the ignition switch on my Box, second in two years :huh First time was $300 at an indy, this time $12 for the switch and hours of fun for the whole family, upside down rammed under the dash :rofl
  18. STANIMAL

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    I had to look up that track , never heard of it. Another reason to move to Austin.
  19. jburroughs12

    jburroughs12 Been here awhile

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    I have long been a BMW guy. I have owned multiple E36's as well as an #46 and most recently an E92. However, being 28 and without kids yet, the wife and I decided it was high time I move into a "true" sports car. Enter this little beauty...
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    It's an '03 C2 with about 83k on the clock. Got it for a good price, and so far I couldn't be happier. It's just civilized enough to keep the wife happy, and just mad enough to keep me happy.

    I just want to thank ADV for this thread and starting yet another money fueled addiction of mine.

    (Apologies about the quick cell phone pics and the briefcase, couple of quick snaps before work this week)
  20. STANIMAL

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    Congrats . Dont forget the coffee.