The Rimfire Thread

Discussion in 'Shiny Things' started by notarex, Apr 4, 2009.

  1. Rusty Rocket

    Rusty Rocket Life behind "Bars"

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    found this on "the firing line forum"

    Problem Fixed Winchester 190
    <hr style="color:#000000; background-color:#000000" size="1"> I have now solved the problem; or rather I took it to a GOOD gunsmith who saw the problem instantly and had it solved in about 30-45 minutes. I say a GOOD gunsmith because my friend had taken to a different shop which had charged him about $35.00 to recondition the rifle but had done the rifle no good.
    There were two problems. For the major problem look at step 9 in the take down manual. The barrel collar was loose in the frame making the head space wrong (loose). There is no 'adjusting' the head space on that rifle. It is fixed when the barrel is tight in the frame. He took it apart, gave it a good cleaning, and put the barrel and collar in tight. The collar is treaded. He put some copper anti seize compound on them. He did not have the specific spanner wrench for the collar so he carefully used a punch that fit the flat of he collar.
    The second problem was lead in the cone of the barrel where the rounds feed into the chamber. It was layered so deeply that he had to scrape it off.
    I think only copper clad rounds from now on.
    A good cleaning and oiling and it now works fine.

    <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="10" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr> <td> The weak point of this particular design (the Winchester 190/290/490) is the way the barrel mounts in the frame. It is prone to becoming loose, and is difficult to fix. Eventually, it shoots loose again. I have heard of owners JB Welding the barrel into place, but this is rather extreme.
    I'd suggest either relegating it to the display rack, or maybe parting useable parts out on Ebay.
    It was a cheaper gun, and has no collector value.

    </td> </tr> </tbody></table> My barrel also came loose.. It was a very easy fix. I took off the the forearm, and then proceeded to tighten the barrel nut on the end of the barrel that goes into the reciever.The barrel nut wasn't even tight, it just spun on the threads..I just added some lok-tight and it's been fine since.. This is a great gun to shoot as it will take all three variants of the .22, (s, l, and lr), and it won't miss a beat. I love mine..

    Look here: http://stevespages.com/pdf/winchester_190.pdf
  2. Speedster

    Speedster Gizmo Slut

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    Love that gun! It WAS my favorite gun to shoot. Runs on most ammo, but Remington Bulk sucks ass in most guns. I have a Vortex StrikeFire red dot on it. Super fun in the gopher range! I don't have many failures to feed, even when the shells don't get stacked alternately. A few people have bought one after shooting mine.

    The fancier models shoot the same, just have some extra aftermarket goods OEM.

    I think that since the first initial production, they have been pretty reliable. It had to do with the recoil spring, IIRC. No problems with mine, and thousands of rounds through it.

    The standard 25 round mag will work in one that came with a 10 rounder. You just got shorted in the beginning!

    But then I got a CZ452 American Varmint in .17 HMR, and I haven't shot the 15/22 since.:cry I still love it lots, I just choose the .17 since it reaches farther and makes a bigger "splat".:thumb

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  3. Rider_WV

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    I picked up a 15/22 today :lol3 I can't wait to put some rounds through it. We had ever intention on buying a sr22 for my wife but it sold right before we got there, so we got her the p22. He gave us a good price since we bought two guns:D
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    Speedster Gizmo Slut

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    Holy cow that SR22 looks like fun! I have a Buckmark that I just got this summer, and that reminds me that I need to shoot it more. I think that SR22 is my next gun! I wish I could shoot as well as the guy on that video.

    Speedster
  5. Rider_WV

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    We put 3-400 rounds through the 15-22 last night during time outs and half time of the super bowl. :lol3

    Its a great shooting gun even using flashlights on the targets:rofl I HAVE to pick up more mags ASAP, two isnt enough. I really didnt need a rifle but I am very glad I bought it. It ate federal and winchester bulk with ZERO issues. Not a single, FTE/FTF nothing at all. I did break it down and clean it, then lubed it up with militec before I shot it.

    Wifey's walther p22 shoots excellent and is suprisingly accurate. She smiled all evening. She was shooting a 6" disc at about 15yds in the dark and was pissed she didnt hit it every round. I told her it will be easier in daylight:lol3

    I already ordered stuff for the 15-22. I have to dig up mags locally, every web site i checked was backordered. I cant find any p22 mags either:huh
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  7. Rider_WV

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  8. Dismount

    Dismount Boring bastard

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    I like it too. Wouldn't mind one of these either. It's ugly as sin, but that 30 round mag just tempts me.

    http://www.keltecweapons.com/our-guns/pistols/pmr-30/
  9. FPGT72

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    I like the few .22mag rifles that I have....but for a toy the ammo is pretty spendy....I would rather have a normal 22....I think it would get more use.
  10. Rusty Rocket

    Rusty Rocket Life behind "Bars"

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    A lot more $$$ and noise for the same size hole.
  11. TALLGUY

    TALLGUY Been here awhile

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    I have the KT PMR 30. I have around 350 rounds through it. It has a good trigger and great capacity of what is an adequate round for several uses at least in my opinion. It has been accurate, fun, and functional with just one stoppage that I can recall.

    My main problem with it is that it is so light and comfortable to carry that it has turned into a concealed carry for me. The 22 mag is not my really the perfect defense cartridge but the fact that I am confident that I could put 25 rounds (I split a box of ammo between the two mags) center mass in a matter of seconds makes it acceptable. What is more important in the matter is that I actually carry it where I tend to leave the heavy weapons at home.


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  12. FPGT72

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    A can agree with that...to carry a 22 vs the (X) sitting at home. And putting follow-up shots where you want them to go...there is also the old argument that I would not want to be shot with one.

    Infact, one of the guys last night was talking to the wife about just this hand gun...they are going to bring out some different things for her to try (J-frame and a few others) as well as her bringing her existing small guns...the bersa and the little Tarus 38 to see if it is a mechanics issue...bad hold, suggest different grips and such.

    The thing that has me worried is (this will not mean much to the folks not in KC) she works at the downtown airport...we live out past Lone Jack (think inner city and VERY country)...sometimes when the highway gets slow she will jump off and take short cuts through....well lets say not the most fantastic areas of town. That is what worries me and why I think she should carry daily.

    Myself I don't even have my CCW...never felt the need....I work with 100 guys that open carry every day.
  13. Dismount

    Dismount Boring bastard

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    Yeah if they made that chambered in .22LR with the 30 rd clip I would have a case of drool you couldn't sop up with a roll of paper towels.

    It still looks awful though. :lol3
  14. TALLGUY

    TALLGUY Been here awhile

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    I am not sure I could recommmend the PMR to a new shooter, especially one with small hands.

    The length of the cartridge makes the grip long (Front to back).

    The recoil it produces surprises all the experienced shooters I have handed it to.

    I personally think it is "louder" than most centerfires that I shoot, but I have never measured the decibles and I wear muffs at the range so that could just be my perception.

    There is a considerable muzzle flash that could be bothersome in low light conditions.

    For whatever reason the round is "dirty" I think mostly due to the short barrel and long powder column resulting in some unburned powder and significant muzzle flash.

    Obviously I am very happy with mine but as far as your friends wife it wouldn't be a weapon I could suggest.

    I also agree that as far as economics go it is still expensive to shoot compared to a .22LR. Not much cost savings over centerfires.

    Again like I said I like the gun and if they quit making them and I was offered 3x what I paid for it I would not sell it. I find it to be a versatile round in a nice package with great capacity.
  15. FPGT72

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    I can get past looks....but the price of the ammo is the sticking point with me....I would bet they will make one in LR.

    Right now the 22 that is getting the most use is the GSG 1911....that thing is just flat fun....and I have only found one type of ammo it hates.
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    Have I mentioned how much I love my GSG 1911? This gun is just too much fun to shoot. Popped off a couple hundred rounds at lunch. I finally got the sites dialed in. The gun is more accurate than I am. Thats the first rounds I have put through it with the Hogue grip and WOW is so much more comfortable. My hogue, reddot and AFG for the 15-22 should be at home waiting on me this evening:clap

    Heading to the gun show with my Dad tomorrow, hard to tell what I might drag home:lol3
  17. Assfault

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    Well it's not the greatest picture but here is what I have been interested in lately.
    The MKlll is my wifes because it is very light and easy for her to keep on target.
    The other two 22/45's are mine, a stock one and a TacSol buildup.
    The 10/22 is a Houge OM, stock heavy barrel tactical 16", with a VQ trigger.
    This is my favorite to shoot because it makes it so easy to hit a quarter @ 50yrds.

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  18. Rusty Rocket

    Rusty Rocket Life behind "Bars"

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    yeah, yeah,... what about the bike in the picture??:D
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    My trusty Winchester...
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    That's a modified Buell S1. When it ran it was the best handling bike I ever had, or will have. It blew up twice, fixed under warranty. The third time I fixed it myself and traded it quick, before I put a bullet in it and put me out of my misery. Best and worst bike I owned.