Please keep this forum about actual get-offs, either your own or someone you know. No gore, near misses, no Youtube or other video links that aren't related to an ADVRider member or friend, no random news articles of accidents unless the article is about a member or acquaintance of a member. Thanks for your help in keeping this forum clean of the above items. DD WARNING What you post here gets archived in the great world wide web and cannot be controlled or deleted by us. Think before you post. If you may become a party to a legal action, think long and hard before hitting the Submit button. Once posted, it cannot be completely deleted. You may be able to edit your first post, but if you wait longer than an hour or two, web crawlers will already have it.