The TAT Preparation Thread-the logistical side of it

Discussion in 'Americas' started by leftystrat62, Dec 13, 2012.

  1. leftystrat62

    leftystrat62 Adventurer

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    Hey Doug, I leave the 11th as well, but from R.I.-maybe I'll catch up to you in the CO passes:lol3 I actually sold this to buy my WRR-go figure??[​IMG]
  2. buggsy458

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    That HD is sick! Although the box looks a bit like a casket...you riding alone?

    On a separate note I once heard of a guy riding the TAT in about a week (6-7 days). Does this seem doable? The videos I've seen of Utah make me believe that it would not be possible to ride it that fast. I'd love to ride the whole thing but I don't have 30 days to devote to it. I can only get about half that many days for it. I've begrudgingly come to the conclusion that I'll have to half of it one year and the other half the next.

    Good luck Doug!
  3. ETD

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    Myself and a buddy are starting the TAT in early September. We have 16 days to get from Vermont through Colorado and back to Vermont. We plan to try and finish it up a year or 2 after. We are going to ride the eastern section as fast as possible so we can do some trail ridding out in CO before having to head back.

    I imagine that if you have a light bike, your navigation dialed, a willingness to ride at night and very good dirt ridding skills then you could do the whole TAT in a week. From what I have seen there is nothing "terribly" technical on the western section. I think for us navigation will be what is going to slow us down. We are going to try and ride everything without GPS we also have zero roll chart experience but we are both good with maps and quick to learn.
  4. larryboy

    larryboy Chopper Rider

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    Anything is possible if you put in the hours per day. I did 6500 miles of dirt around the west a few years ago, 23 days with a moving average of 37.5 mph...that is hauling ass if you've ever looked at rally finishers times/speeds. 37.5 average doesn't seem like much until you try to maintain that speed. To do the whole TAT in seven days you'd have to have multiple two state 18-20 hour days. The nice thing about the way Sam laid the thing out...E to W, you're tuned up and in shape by the time you get to the more challenging trails.
  5. larryboy

    larryboy Chopper Rider

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    I tried to ride the Oregon section with just the roll charts, it wasn't possible due to the fact that Sam doesn't use 'resets' in his mileage, get off track or go look at something cool and your odo is off and you can't get back on track. He should have a reset at every major intersection so that you can find one on the ground, roll your chart to match, zero your odo and get back on the trail.
  6. alskee750

    alskee750 Been here awhile

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    Folks on the road heading to OK. I'll be looking for replacing tires in CO. I recall a good shop in Salinas, CO? I have some tires on standby ready to ship to a shop for changing.. Thanks
  7. sintax

    sintax Been here awhile

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    Most of the electronic odo's and GPS's allow you to manually key in whatever you want the trip to be if you need to adjust.
  8. larryboy

    larryboy Chopper Rider

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    You'd be stopped all day fiddling...not for me. The roll charts suck, take the time to convert them to gpx and leave the charts/maps at home.
  9. sintax

    sintax Been here awhile

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    Oh I did, I spent a solid week converting all of Sam's maps via basecamp. I was just trying to solve the problem presented :)
  10. larryboy

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    The real solution would be for Sam to fix the roll charts, a roll chart when done right can be as fast as a gps and more reliable than electronics.
  11. sintax

    sintax Been here awhile

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    Ya the roll charts are great for unmarked or poorly marked roads. I'm sure it's just such a huge task, so I don't throw a lot of blame his was. I can only imagine trying to manage 4200 miles of trails and country roads.

    Roll charts don't run out of batteries.
  12. Countdown

    Countdown Long timer

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    And how many miles of Roll Charts do you maintain? Do you know how expensive it is to drive 500-1,000 miles just to to fix a short section of Roll Chart?

    Dave and I try to maintain the 2,500 miles of Mex2Can.com as best we can but most years I have to chart or at least explore some new way while riders are on the existing way. Since Sam only sells Roll Charts (at cost) and does not ride with his customers, he does not have our option.
  13. BigDogAdventures

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    Jerry,
    Sam's been to my house quite a bit and I've been coaching him with gps's---and using mapsource---I got him started and he's taken the bull by the horns and now has the gps tracks of the entire TAT for sale on his website.
    Nobody thought this would ever happen--not even me-----but it has.
    $24 by state. I've got them, he just gave them to me for inspection.
    They look great---now he can make editing much easier.
    He keeps making changes------and making the route easier for the big bike winers. :cry:cry:cry:cry
    He gets a lot of that.

    BigDog
  14. rtwdoug

    rtwdoug prominent underachiever

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    I saw where Sam recently added gps tracks on the website, but as I'd already sprung for the maps, I really didnt feel like spending a bunch more for the tracks. I downloaded a non routable TAT track off the web, it looks pretty simple, just stay on the blue line. Between that & the roll charts, I should make it ok.

    I'm also gonna be on a big damn bike. But I wont whine to Sam when it gets tough. The TAT was designed for dirtbikes, if I get to a section the bike wont handle, then I'll have to figure out a way around it.

    I'm not saying I wont be whining, just that I wont be whining to Sam :lol3
  15. kingrj

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    The Colorado portion is not too technical but once you get past Green River Utah it is! I have done two states with roll charts and two states with GPS and GPS is the way to go. Roll charts are good but you MUST keep up with your miles and you have to stop and change them and roll them as you go. And if you have to detour it is tough without a GPS. If I were you I would NOT attempt this trip without some knowledge of using a GPS. You can always quickly find detours around closed trails and if you tracks are good it is just as accurate as roll charts. DO NOT depend on routeable maps as they are not accurate in many remote place. Use developed TRACK files and use a GPS that will upload TRACK files of at least 10,000 points. A Garmin ETrex 20 is cheap..like $160 and will do all this..just say'n..Good luck you will LOVE the trip!
  16. alskee750

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    Currently in Buena Vista Colorado, where I was getting maintance done tires/sprocket/etc. If you guys are in need this is the place to go, he has helped me tremendously. Mountain Tech Yamaha, ask for Sean. No affiliation got word from another member and thank god because I was almost going to be stranded.

    Ok, I have just a few days left. Tomorrow my sprocket comes in the Day time so I should be on the road by 12n. I need to be in SLC, Utah by the 16th. I'm rolling w/ Sams GPS files, so much easier to get around. Does any of the route go through any of the mountain passes? I would like to do at least one pass. I know that I'm going to skip parts of the trail just due to time but that's the way life is... work/fam duties calls..

    Thanks in advance.
  17. joefromsf

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    I think you will hit Marshall, Cinnamon, California, Hurricane and Ophir passes on the Colorado portions of the TAT.
  18. oldtrucks

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    You're a day away, you'll be on Marshall Pass as soon as you get through Salida and Poncha Springs. That takes you into Lake City, when you leave Lake City you'll catch the other passes on the Alpine loop. If you have to leave the trail I'd wait at least until you get through that section.
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    A little ways past Ophir the ride is kind of blah until you get to the La Sals going into Moab - IMHO.
  20. esp41

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    I am on the TAT now, trying only to use Sam's latest GPS tracks. The tracks are very good.

    I have followed them all the way into Utah with little issue. Please review this single post in my ride report. It has a great screen shot of how only using the GPS track can get you in trouble in canyons.

    http://advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=21835674&postcount=254

    Past Green river Utah is indeed a lot more complicated. The GPS track does not lock on the road, so sometimes it is next to the road you are on. In the canyons, that road can be 100' over you head, up a shear canyon wall.

    I am now using his roll chart and his GPS track to get me through Utah and Nevada. Once I get out of canyon country, I believe the GPS track alone will be fine again.

    I bought the whole package from Sam, including GPS tracks. I believe I got great value and information for the money. Knowing the gas stops, hotels, and trail notes are invaluable in making the trip safer. This is especially true once you reach Oklahoma.

    If you are on a budget, at least consider getting the roll charts for UT, as it is very technical. I have not gotten to NV or Oregon yet, so I cannot comment on those States.

    Mike