The Thing About a Liter Bike ...

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by Jim Moore, May 7, 2014.

  1. JimmyFallen

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    Not sure if I posted this one yet but it's awesome as well. Pay particular attention what the bike is doing under him. This is flat out folks! Note the couple of wheelies that happen and at what speeds, this is power my friends.

    http://youtu.be/iGsTcmLG7dU


    PS: Yeah, I'm a 10R fanboy. Whatever!
  2. _Davi_

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    Here in sunny Italy, the highways have no cops, just cameras overhead pressure/magnetic sensors every ten miles or so that photo everyone's plate regardless of speed and average it. Meaning, speeding in a cage is not possible because you can't avoid the pressure pads. On a bike, you hit the foot-wide gap between the sensors and the cameras never trigger. Meaning, this plus a liter+ bike = 110+ mph commutes all day long, with only other liters for company cruising past all the other traffic in the right lane going 80. 5 years doing it, never got a ticket.... and if I ever get one, let 'em sort out my US license and my Hungarian registered bike... :evil
  3. henshao

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    I'm telling teacher!!!!!!!!:lol3
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    Dang, that's way better then all those years I used the tollways back in Dallas for free because you could ride between the sensors that triggered the cameras. :lol3
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    Lot of trolling an counter-trolling in this thread! The 5252 troll is classic.

    I was sitting at a light and a couple of kids pulled up. One of them pointed at the Tiger and said to his buddy - "That's a 10-50. Squids are great.
    I've ridden track days at NJMP on a BMW S1000RR, a BMW F800ST, DL650, SV650, and the Tiger 1050.

    The Tiger has an "official" top speed of 134mph. I hit 131 on the straight before shutting down for the corner, and it's still accelerating. But the liter sport bikes walk right on by any time they can get on the throttle. I have videos....

    Rode the S1000RR at a CSS course and I was backing off on the straight at 135-140 due to the wind pressure on my head was so intense. The fast guys would blast past at 150-160.

    MCNews has a performance index for many bikes - http://www.mcnews.com/mcn/technical/2013JanPerfIndx.pdf

    Bandit 1250 does 0-100 in 8.8s, quarter in 11.3 @ 116mph. DL1000 is a bit slower, SV1000 a touch faster. Pretty quick bikes. The BMW R1200GS (117) is in the same ballpark: all those "tall" bikes have modest trap speeds because they are moving a lot of air and run out of power. That's not surprising as they are tuned to be more responsive at lower rpms, making them much more forgiving to ride and requiring less shifting.

    A 2006 GSX-R does 0-100mph in 4.96 seconds. The quarter mile in 9.55s @ 143mph. The famously powerful S1000RR hits 151. YZF-R1 145.

    This is what the OP was talking about. Even compared to decently quick bikes like a Tiger 1050 or Bandit 1250, a liter sportbike will rip your face off. I can't cope with the riding position for more than about 20 minutes but they are in a whole other league.
  6. JimmyFallen

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    I've done 168 mph. on my 10R and had PLENTY left! :eek1 I've seen 120 mph. flash on the LCD screen on a few 1-2 shifts too. Crazy! These bikes, all the top liter bikes, are no joke! I'd like to try my hand on the drag strip just for fun some day.

    PS: And yeah about the riding position but when you're scared to death most of the time you don't notice the pain in your neck, back and shoulders much. Lol!!
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    Isn't it time for another liter bike anecdote?

    So my wife and I were headed home (in our older Audi TT) from the Central California coast Sunday, and 3 liter bikes came roaring up on us along Hwy 84 just east of Skyline Blvd. I think it was a ZX10, R1, and GSXR1100. They passed us across a double yellow (no big deal) and got behind the minivan we were stuck behind.

    Just then, an older Kawi (KZ1100 I think) headed the other way gave them a hand signal that they interpreted as law enforcement (I thought he was warning them of gravel). They waited patiently between us and the minivan for about 1 mile, before deciding the coast was clear. The R1 pilot (obviously a smaller woman) gave the GSXR pilot a knowing nod, and all 3 bikes barked to life all at once.

    It was downright shocking how fast they left us in the twisties. The turns were pretty sharp, with drastic banking, but we could see about 1/4 along the double yellow line. They literally caught air off every corner transition. It was fucking crazy!

    My wife, a relatively new rider with a DR350, actually gasped at the site. :lol3 The hair stood up on the back of my neck.

    I would so kill myself on one of those machines.
  8. JimmyFallen

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    ^^Actually, that is the perfect mindset for a liter bike rider.^^

    If you're totally comfortable and pushing it harder and harder all the time, your chances of surviving/staying out of jail/keeping your license drop exponentially. NEVER lose respect for a 1K bike, it can kill you in the blink of an eye!

    Mine gives me little reminders every time I ride it. I have learned to respect it's power.
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    Yup. Those who lack the ability to control themselves will regret owning one very quickly. I have the utmost respect for mine.
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    10 years and over 100K on the Tuono and I have no points on my license. It's not like I ride like an old lady either. Just no wheelies down main street.
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    Yep! The guys that have all the LEO troubles are the ones that are racing everywhere they go. I only ride fast about 25% of the time on the streets, it's just stupid on so many levels to do it all the time. Hell, maybe 25% is too much too! The streets are NOT the place to be wringing out your liter bike at all. This includes the middleweight bikes as well, they are definitely NO slouches!
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    Bikes don't kill.

    I never understood why it would be desirable to control yourself.
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    To avoid having to be controlled by others
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    Of course sometimes other try to control you. But NEVER do they HAVE TO control you and it's still much better to be only controlled by others from time to time than to be controlled all the time.
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    The type of control by others situation I can get into with any motorcycle, let alone an open-classer, would most assuredly NOT be of the 'from time to time' variety.
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    He's talking about going to jail, losing your license, etc. haha.

    You know, because you just did something really stupid on your bike (because you can't be controlled...) and you're now considered unfit to ride/drive/live in public.


    Anyway, back to "true" liter bikes. I actually found my '07 Charcoal R1 to be kinda comfortable. It had a Saddleman seat and Heli-bars. This made the bike quite bearable for multi-hour stints. I wouldn't want to ride it for more than 2-3 hours straight, but still not so bad. It was also very easy to ride and commute in the city at lower rpm. It would just purr along until I wanted to wick it up a little.

    And for some unknown reason I wanted to unlock even more power out of it. Losing the catayltic converter and adding Yoshi exhausts, tuned PCIII and a K&N filter had me doing power wheelies in 3rd gear - absolutely redonkulous! I had it geared down -1 front and +3 rear and it could punch me in the face if I wasn't paying attention.

    After the re-gear, top end for it was around 180mph of which I reached 176mph at VIR North. On the front stretch, leaning right before the start/finish line, the rear wheel actually spun up to 176 (according to my top speed recall). Once I got comfortable keeping it pinned down the stretch I realized what was actually happening. I have no idea how the club and professionals do it so easily. It scared the bejesus out of me at first. Then I wanted more...
  17. Wraith Rider

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    It would take me wonder if there was such a drastic difference as from "nearly never" to "not only from time to time" if one changes from 2.1kg/hp to 1.5kg/hp.

    Well, I did some really stupid and even illegal things in the past and never had a problem with that. But while not controling myself is an every day thing, the really stupid things happen on a time to time basis.
  18. Human Ills

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    Wonder away
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    that is what the tuck is for...
  20. JimmyFallen

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    Dude, you're lost. :huh