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Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by Jim Moore, May 7, 2014.
Rode a new S1000R today. Just rediculous...
Made me smile, but also fear for my license.
This. So much this. I loved riding the hell out of my little '89 CBR250R, whanging away up to the 18,000rpm redline and letting all 45 glorious horsepower throw me into the next corner. It was hilariously good fun for such a 'small' bike. I rode it hard almost everywhere and loved every minute of it - it was even a decent light tourer as it used about 4L/100km (60mpg) at a 120kmh (75mph) cruise, still had decent roll-on acceleration, and had a nice pillion seat to strap stuff to complete with lugs for bungee cords.
Not a litrebike which warps time and space and makes the borderline impossible more than easy... but still fun.
I went from a 1200cc I4 to a 1050 triple and I fell in love with the triple engine. I'm sure the Remus exhaust helped that. My current 800 triple with the stock can sounds a little like a minivan until you get up there in revs.
so I'm on my 4th of what may arguably be called liter bikes (all 1000cc or more rippers, but not full fairing race bikes)... modded 04 FZ1, 03 ZRX, 99 Super Hawk, and now, non-modded 03 FZ1. Granted, these are heavier, slower, and more upright than modern literbikes, buuuut, I have to say: I've had a ton of fun on all of these bikes, but for any street riding other than highway cruising, I'm pretty over it. Too powerful to be any fun in real twisties. Too heavy and too powerful for city riding. Yes I have throttle control and can make it work in those situations and still have fun, but...slow bike fast vs fast bike slow is a real thing. I'm ready for a lighter, less powerful bike. A Street Triple or FZ/FJ09 is sounding just about right to me right now.
I'll agree with this.
Both my Tiger 1050's, one stock, one modified with tune/exhaust/K&N, while sounding incredibly different for being nearly the same exact bike, even the modified one drones at a very even note whether at 1,200rpm or 8,500rpm.
Use your lips and make a steady fart noise, now increase the volume steadily. That's a Triumph triple. The sound definitely takes away from the excitement, or at least doesn't add to it like some other bikes. Completely unlike I4's in that way. An inline 4 at idle sounds nothing at all like it does 15,000 rpm later.
Absolutely, I will say however that having a fast bike in the twisties is better in one regard. You can go(close to) the speed limit in the straight bits and speed up to hit the corners at a fun pace without worrying about keeping up momentum like you do with smaller bikes. Hills and having power to pass is a non-issue as well. I know I would have to make sketchier than I'd like passes because I had to take advantage of a downhill. Im comparing a SUMO WR250R to a CBR1k or Zx6r in the mountains. The Duke 690 is my best of all worlds for this, soon to be traded for a FZ07
The guys without much riding ability or the finances for a liter bike are the guys most frequently discounting their use. They like to think since they have little ability or use for one that nobody else should.
def agree on those advantages. an FZ07 is on the list with those triples, as well. my riding buddy that had one said he found it didnt really do it for him other than in tight twisties, moved to a Street Triple. but what do I know.
didn't say no one else should. I said I personally would prefer a smaller slower lighter bike for riding the hairpins that are about 20 minutes from my house. You or anyone else can go ride whatever they want.
I have found Jap bikes really like to rev so I live at the upper ranges. Its too much fun using all the bikes capability. The fz07 is a parallel twin the 09 is the trip but I have heard that from a lot of people. Most have yet to discover the magic of smaller bikes in the tight twisty stuff. a riding buddy told me "fz07? you will look like a monkey fuckin a football, better look at the 09" This coming from a guy thats 6'3 and 250 and rides a grom. Im 6'1 and 195.
My 2006 Sprint ST has a sweet exhaust note with the stock exhaust.
My 2007 Speed Triple sounded like a bag of ass stock, but the shorty titanium slip-on and Arrow header made a delightful howl.
My 2017 Super Adventure R sounds like a stock piped Harley with bad plugs. Ugh.
After a little over a year on the R1, I can't believe I'm still not in prison.
I just test rode a couple of unconventional liter bikes.
The first was the Yamaha FZ-10. I really love the new firing order on that detuned R1 motor. It makes it sound more like a Corvette V8 than an inline 4. Fast enough to get in trouble for sure.
The second was a bike that really surprised me: the Ducati Diavel X with Termignoni exhaust. That thing is an absolute beast, especially considering it is supposed to be a cruiser with forward controls. It was as fast as the Yamaha! It is a little scary having that much power propelling you when your feet are straight out forward.
they sure did put a Transformers face on that new FZ. I imagine it does go fast enough to get you in trouble. I have a first gen carbed version and it's more than fast enough to get someone in trouble, to say the least.
Pulled the wheels off the Streetfighter today and they're getting new rubber tomorrow. Using a friend's No-Mar machine. An oil change and filter and a brake and clutch fluid flush, and it'll be on the road again Sunday AM.
I've been riding for 12 years. Never even been pulled over while on a motorcycle.
Since I bought my GSXS1000, I can see myself getting in trouble with this one. It turns me into an asshole. Uncle Ben was right "With great power comes great responsibility"
Yeah, that dude was a genius!
IMHO, it is as much the WAY it delivers the power as it is how MUCH it has. Certain bikes just beg to be ridden hard, high revs to get into the power band. Problem is that with today's bikes, even my middleweight FZ8N will be at highway speeds before even hitting the powerband in second gear...
On the other hand, my XJR1300 with similar peak power also delivers plenty of midrange power. You can enjoy plenty of acceleration and fun without hitting triple digit speeds.
I rode a liter bike for the first time last week - S1000RR on a track. Although it had surprisingly good torque and power up to 8,000rpm, after that if felt like we were making the jump to light speed.
I think my face melted on every trip down the front straight. It still melts a little just thinking about it.
I pick up my Speed Triple on the weekend. I'm looking forward to bags of torque!
1000cc inline 4s are great to do what they were designed for - outright speed, which unfortunately isnt usable to its full extent on the highway.
Now torque, thats usable on the street!