The Toolkit Thread

Discussion in 'Equipment' started by hilslamer, Sep 2, 2007.

  1. Lav1200

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    Great thread going here. I am in the midst of getting rid of my rack-mounted Pelican and want to carry the tools in a fanny pack. Curious how the fanny pack works when also wearing a small backpack (water, clothes, etc). Do you have any pics to share with you wearing both items while on the bike?

    Cheers,
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  2. KingRat

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    I don't think I'd want tools strapped to my body.... horrible potential for injury if you fall off.

    My riding is almost exclusively on metalled roads, and this bag of stuff fits in less than half of one pannier [where it lives, permanently]. Loaded, the bag is 12" x 9" x 5".

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    Toolkit, first aid kit, LED head torch, pump, puncture repair kit, tuffmaps, lightsticks, a spare buff. Wetwipes ... luxury:thumb :lol3 And the ubiquitous repair stuff - WD40, cable ties, duct tape and metal putty. I've got an LED torch, leatherman and cigarette lighter in one of the fairing pockets.

    The tool roll is made by Kriega and holds enough bits and bobs to exceed my mechanical capabilities.
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  3. bmwktmbill

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    Guys,
    Break your tools up into separate kits.
    Most used, least used, tire tools.
    Wrap rags around them and secure with innertube rubber bands.
    Slip the Leatherman or it's like in the tankbag side pocket or some such where it's handy.

    Have some nuts and bolts handy also(when you want one you want one).
    Don't stress, they sell tools everywhere in the known world.
    The language of mechanics is truly universal and spoken anywhere they sell gas, benzene or petrol....
    b.
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  4. Lav1200

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    With the type of riding I'm doing (jeep trails and single track) I want to reduce the weight on the bike as much as possible. A fanny pack is the best way to accomplish this, but not sure if it will work with a backpack as well. Curious as to how the desert racers manage this.
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  5. KingRat

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    I understand the desire.... I just don't like having anything more rigid than my spine and pelvis strapped to me on a solo.

    YMMV and all that.:D
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  6. cat

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    I agree about possibility of serious spine injury, but...

    Toolkit, first aid kit, LED head torch, pump, puncture repair kit, tuffmaps, lightsticks, a spare buff. Wetwipes ... luxury:thumb :lol3 And the ubiquitous repair stuff - WD40, cable ties, duct tape and metal putty. I've got an LED torch, leatherman and cigarette lighter in one of the fairing pockets.[/quote]
    ...Panniers, fairing... BMW, V-Strom,...[?]
    The original story was about tools etc for the "adventure"/offroad context. So the problem's still there... bags strapped to the back of the seat or a rack get in the way, and in a waist bag or back pack, the possibility of spine injury is there.
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  7. KingRat

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    Agreed. The kit is not dissimilar, it is where you store it then?

    I've fallen off plenty of trail bikes. :kurt So I'd put up with strapping my stuff to the bike. To each their own, and all that.:D
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  8. N1ckR

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    This what tools I take on day/weekend trips.

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    My tools wrapped up. The pump and rag goes in the main compartment of my rucksack, the inner tube, tyre levers and bar fit neatly in one of the side pockets, the tape and wire in the other pocket with my leatherman (not pictured) and the black bag goes on the bike.

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    As you can see I put some spare wire and electrians tape in the roll of duct tape and then cable tie it so compress and save space. With the inner tube I have tyre levers and bar with socket for the wheels, but on the reverse you can see a supply of cable ties and some stiff wire. I keep some gloves wrapped with the pump, but I never use them.
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  9. Speaker

    Speaker What's an estart?

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    So, thanks to this thread, I have begun making my kit.

    Wolfman Enduro Tool Bag:
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    Bag open:
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    Bag laid out:
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    Inside the Husky Bag:
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    Husky multi-tool
    Blades, Saw, Plug Gapper, Pliers, File, ¼ Drive adaptor
    ¼ sockets, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12
    Metric Allen combo tool, 4, 5, 6, 8, 10
    Mini vice-grips
    [FONT=&quot] Mini crescent wrench (in lieu of stubby open end wrenches)

    [/FONT]Tim's post inspired me to buy the husky mini ratchet thing with 1/4 drive adaptor. When I was getting that, I found this Husky multi tool with all sorts nifty features for 75 cents less. I can't find it on Husky's website, but I got it at Home Depot. The bag came with it, as did the sockets, adaptors, and driver bits (plus more that I didn't need in the kit)

    Gray zipper bag: the "Tube Bag" (also found these zipper bags in a three pack when shopping for the husky thing, $4.50 for all three)
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    All sorts of patches
    4 spare Schrader valve cores (inside one of the blue boxes)
    Bunch of rubber cement
    Genuine innovations microflate (for threaded Co2)
    3 16oz threaded Co2 cartages
    Pressure gauge
    Core tool

    Small black zipper bag: "spare stuff bag"
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    Ziplock of small metric nuts and bolts, also small hose clamps
    Metric grade 12.9 bolts for bar clamp to triple clamp mounting
    Long 5/16 bolts for hand guards (these seem to break on every ride.. I fall a lot)
    Big hose clamp
    Some mechanics wire
    Some extra wiring
    Length of fuel hose
    Also, assorted zip ties go inside the Wolfman bag alone.

    Big black zipper bag
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    Just a spare 21" tube. I want to find a way to mount this bag on the bike, because it takes up way too much room in the tail bag.


    Long sock (:rofl) tire tools
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    Big cresent wrench, wrapped with duct tape. (I only have this for axles, waiting on Motion pro combo lever.)
    Spoon type lever
    Small motion pro lever, wrapped with electrical and Gorilla tape (Because I like the spoon type better, this will probably be replaced again by the Combo lever)

    Short sock
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    Crank brothers “Power Pump Ultra” – for Schrader or presta, high-pressure or high volume switch, max 115 PSI. For when Co2 isn’t enough, or when I want to save Co2 for emergency?

    [FONT=&quot]Blackhawk Hydrastorm S.T.R.I.K.E. Tsunami:
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    100oz Hydrastrom water bladder
    Adventure Medical Kits “Day Tripper” – added pain killers, gloves, CPR barrier.
    Rain/Wind jacket
    Cold weather gloves
    Cell phone
    GPS if not mounted to bike
    Snacks, lighter, yada yada.
    I try to keep the pack kind of light, no tools.

    Here's the Toolbag on the bike. Packs up pretty small huh? Yes, all of that stuff really does fit in the tail bag. The tube takes up most of the room, though. You can also see the zipties in action, holding the handguards on.
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    Anyway, I think that's it for now. Like I said, I want to mount the tube to the bike, either buy the Wolfman Front fender bag (people say they fall off), or mount the existing zipper bag between the rear shock and seat. See the big empty space there?

    Any comments or suggestions?
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  10. PackMule

    PackMule love what you do Super Moderator

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    Fantastic thread, Tim. Looking at all the stuff you carry, I think I've come across my cosmic twin, in terms of over-preparedness. :dic (Though no one is ever bitching when you're MacGuyver'ing some repair out on the trail. Or towing a Dakar-finisher up a gnarly hill. :D)



    The Koerta/Leatt/Mongo-backpack combo was getting to me at DVR. :becca Between tools/spares, food, 130oz water and whatever other crap I was carrying, it was just very "intrusive" (I guess the best word I can come up with).

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    Positioning the pack was an irritation -- if I had the shoulder straps where they were okay, the waist belt was uselessly high (non weight bearing). To put some weight on the hips, the shoulder straps were waayy extended.


    I've been looking for a backpack/camelbak that will either accommodate my torso length (6'1", plus a little when you factor the armor in), or possibly some sort of waistpack/backpack combo.


    Anyone tried Military style webgear/LBS? :dunno
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  11. neduro

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    PM- I'm really curious to try one of the Kriega bags I've seen at Aerostich. Just bought a Leatt- haven't tried riding with it yet, but can see that it may cause an issue with how much gear I tend to carry.

    :dunno
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  12. neduro

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    How about a front fender bag, with either zip-ties or safety wires securing the hooks to the fender?

    I've had reasonable luck with the fender bags if I put just a tube in, but I never stay disciplined for long- I always wind up throwing a few CO2's in there, and then a lever, and then a CO2 thingy, and next thing you know, I'm backtracking trying to find it. :D

    :dunno
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  13. hilslamer

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    I've restrained myself from snapping at all of the people who have replied with how "dangerous" it is to carry tools on your person. Someone even went as far as calling me a "fool" even, which is really not worth adressing considering the following reasonings. I disagree completely, up to a reasonable point. I consider myself a desert racer, and to that end I offer the following insights.

    I'm a "little guy"(not to imply I have "little man" syndorme), and I only weigh about 150 lbs. All told, soaking wet, I'm still a skinny white guy(although I'd like to think "fly" for those that get that...)

    I typically trailride(read: AA level singletrack and trails, sometimes none at all while scouting for a race loop, etc - think intermediate level trials sections without ribbon in some cases) a 250-275 lb bike. The bike is almost twice as heavy as I am - a little extra mass where my body would carry it(midesction) anyway is not going to hurt my ability to yank it around(I stand almost all the time) a bit - the more inertia I have, the better I can influence the inertia of the bike. Yes, it costs me calories but I'll be glad to burn them on rides where a few hundred calories is not that much on 3000+ burned in a ride.

    And as to the safety issue, I clearly state that things should never be pointed AT you, in any condition or at any length. Just like constructing a cage inside of a rallycar, you never point an individual frame member AT anyone. But you would never go without in either case, would you?

    That said, I have literally probably hundreds of crashes, from minor tipovers down a hill to major 70+mph get-offs that resulted in inadvertant cartwheels at same speed - and none of them have been without my buttbag on or a small backpack in place. None of which I can attribute any injuries, stabbings, tweakings, prison-shankings or similar to the tools I was carrying on my person. And I ALWAYS carry tools when I ride, period.

    Note also that in a later post, I specifically stated in BOLD how heavy my bumbag and backpack were with tools- a grand total of less than 8% of my meager bodyweight. As argued above, this can even be viewed as an advantage in my case.

    Furthermore, I clearly stated in my original post what type of riding I do and why, and that this toolkit was really specific to that, and that you should decide what was appropriate accordingly. To quote Neduro, I ride DIRT BIKES with this kit, not "adventure" bikes that outweight even a big man by 2.5:1 and have numerous nooks to store tools in...

    If you do some research, even though many of the major Rally winners of the world don't appear to be carrying tools in a pack, they carry enough weight on their person in the pockets of their rally jackets to be condisered "dangerous" by those that have accused me of such here on this thread. And I can assure you that Steve Hengeveld, Quinn Cody and Andy Grider do not race without tools, and specifically do not carry them on the bike.

    Allow me to put together short list of very serious(ISDE, BAJA, BITD, etc.) racers that I have personally raced alongside on any variety of bikes and whitnessed carrying a toolkit of some sorts ON THEIR PERSON:

    Steve Hengeveld
    Kurt Caselli
    Ron Schmelze
    Ian Blythe
    Dave Neumiester
    Mark Buckholz
    Destry Abbott
    Steve Hatch
    Quinn Cody
    Jeff Fredette
    Fred Crossett
    David Kamo
    Kendall Norman


    ...to name a few. These guys know what they are doing.
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  14. hilslamer

    hilslamer 2XRedheadedstepchild

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    BTW, outstanding contributions, thanks for the pics and explanations. Actions/items mean nothing without reasons or confirmation.
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  15. Speaker

    Speaker What's an estart?

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    Buck made fun of me for my pack being too heavy :roflThat is part of the reasoning for me going with a bike mounted solution. The other part is kind of completely opposite of yours.

    I also weigh 150 pounds, and ride the singletrack up here in Flag. Peaks loop, upper moto, airport, wing mtn. etc etc . Like you, I'm not too concerned about the saftey of having tools on body; my pack's balistic nylon, the tools are all contained in nylon, I'd wear it outside my pressure suit, and I'm usually not going very fast. However, I feel that when I start getting tired on the single track, I have to start forcing myself to not sit down. With the extra weight on my back, I end up getting really lazy. With the weight on the rear of the bike, I don't have to work as hard and can focus more on the obstacles than on how tired I am. At least, that's how it works for me.

    By the way, Tim, you should come ride up here before it snows. I want to ride with you... or at least, way behind you.
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  16. Johnny_5

    Johnny_5 Disassemble!

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    Buck made fun of you because you carry heavy tools, not because you carry tools on your person. Look at the tools you're carrying vs the ones Tim shows in the start of this thread. Vicegrips, cresent wrench X 2, Bike pump (seems silly when you also have CO2s) etc. With your redundency in tools alone you're adding pounds to your kit. Now for a larger bike, you might need tools the size that you're carring, but not really for a trail bike.

    There's other people in this thread that show their tool kits with whole wrench sets, large cresent wrenches, etc. I would consider that total overkill... for a trail bike. But they're not using those kits for trail bikes. Every kit that you use should really be adjusted for the bike that you ride.

    Hilslamer's just had a couple of rides on his shiny 990 so I'm sure he'll be using different tools and different storage solutions on that bike. However the general concept is the same between bikes "What is the most likely way this bike could brake/fail/fall appart" and "What do I need to fix that problem" My tool kit wouldn't probably work out well for a 990 but it works great on my 125/200/450. Oh yeah, I carry my tools in a bum bag/backpack and I promise I've tested the crash worthyness many times :evil
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  17. Speaker

    Speaker What's an estart?

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    Well, actually the toolkit I have now came after the bag I had when Buck made fun of me. The pack Buck thought was heavy didn't even have tire levers in it. Basically just 100oz of water. However, I totally agree with you in that some tools are too heavy. The large crescent wrench, like I said, is only to remove the axles. It will be replaced soon with the motion pro combo lever Tim showed, this will also allow me to remove the small steel lever. The pump weighs 118 grams/4 ounces. I carry it on the motorcycle for the same reason I carry it on the downhill bike, as a backup. Oddly enough, one of those Co2s only inflated a downhill tire to 20psi, and didn't even seat the bead. The small vice grips are good for two things, to clench the axle and pull it out, and to hold the bead down when repairing a tire. While it's true that I could buy a bead buddy and something else to pull the stubbon axle out with, you have to push with the cock you got.

    I feel this kit, appart from the large crescent, is completely suited for my bike, and the riding I do. I'll weigh it when the combo lever comes in.
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  18. FuddyLogic

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    Great thread!! It's always good to see what other's find essential and solutions they've come up with.

    For the multitude of replies about bum (sorry fanny) tool bags, what's the big deal?

    If you're concerned about possible spinal injury surely you'd be wearing a back protector? ...and if you are, wouldn't that provide just as much protection from the padded tool roll as any rocks, trees, asphalt?

    Personally log trucks, kangaroos, and cage drivers worry me a sh*t load more than than a body mounted tool roll.

    Please keep the tool pics and lists coming!!
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  19. neduro

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    Yeah, but Buck makes fun of all of us. Nothing we do with tools will change that...

    :lol3
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  20. disconnected

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    awsome report!!!!! Thanks for taking in the time, I wrote everything out I didnt have and am going to go shopping on the internet tonight!!!!


    Thanks Again,

    Greg:wings
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