The Ultimate Tug...

Discussion in 'Hacks' started by Nemosengineer, Feb 1, 2009.

  1. Nemosengineer

    Nemosengineer Hair Ball

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    If you were building a new road/touring outfit, what would be your choice for the ultimate tug (under $16 K) and why?

    Thanks: Mike:1drink

    (Sorry in advance If this question has been posted before, I searched and couldn't find the topic.)
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  2. Ray R

    Ray R Been here awhile

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    For touring/road, I believe either a Gold Wing or a K12LT is best....whichever brand you prefer.
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  3. windmill

    windmill Long timer

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    There is no such thing as the "ultimate" tug. That is like asking what flavor ice cream is the best. You like Sportsters, that might be Your ultimate.
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  4. tony the tiger

    tony the tiger Long timer

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    Not being a builder, I'd probably make an offer on this 1987 rig... for under $16k :lol3. For less than that, he'd sell you the camper trailer, too!
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  5. Threewheelbonnie

    Threewheelbonnie Long timer

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    OK, this is what I want:

    More than 40 HP so I can cruise on the motorway
    Less than 80 HP so I don't get more speeding points or pay for the In-sewer-ants Christmas **** up.
    One or two cylinders, three at a push for simplicity.
    Fuel injection that's been in production for over three years.
    Air or oil cooled for simplicity.
    At least one disk brake or a very very sorted set of drums.
    Rim sizes that give a choice of road, M&S and knobbly.
    A full steel frame, not aluminium spines or load bearing engines.
    Tubular bars that can be widened and raised by simple metal work.
    Reverse gear in the box, not the starter motor.
    Enough fuel for 300 miles.
    A dealer in every town with over 200,000 residents.
    A design that doesn't get updated more than twice a decade.
    A bike that is under £6000 and under 10 years old.

    I don't want much do I :eek1 :lol3

    So, what did I get? The Bonneville fails on the FI (2004 model), reverse gear, range and dealership coverage. The range I sorted, the dealers I can live with, the carbs work and the mk2 could be a 2007/8 fitted to the same chair.

    The alternatives I guess could be anything from a BM air head through Kawasaki ER's and W650's to Honda CB's or maybe even a HD Sportster.

    My perfect bike I think, could hopefully be something Ural has on a CAD station somewhere.

    Edit to Add: 2004 Bonneville new cost me £4999, Ural chair modified £2000, extra fuel tank etc, £1000: Total £8000, roughly $12000.

    Andy
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  6. gec343

    gec343 Been here awhile

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    I am looking for about the same thing as you. I am seriously considering the Burgman 650 w/sidecar, excellent reliability, but no reverse. I'm going to wait for the 2010 model, at least I think.
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  7. Jimbosidecar

    Jimbosidecar Adventurer

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    Except for the fuel injection, a BMW powered Chang Jiang looks like it fits your needs.
    Regds,
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  8. Threewheelbonnie

    Threewheelbonnie Long timer

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    Lack of dealers would be an issue too, but basically yes it would. I don't think I'd go for one as I'm a rider and occasional mechanic rather than someone who'd ever dream of making spacers to put a different engine into a bike.

    Actually, if I was to make my perfect bike it'd be a Diesel from a small car going onto a Ural type transmission. 100+ mpg, 500+ miles range, fuel available anywhere 4x4's go and 10,000 mile service intervals :clap

    Andy
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  9. eastbloc

    eastbloc comprador bourgeois

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    Speeding tickets on an outfit aren't really a big issue. Even with my 85HP going over 80mph you're met with a wall of air that's increasingly harder to penetrate.

    the Diesel Ural conversions aren't particularly capable on the highway from what I understand. Something about the way the small diesels are geared, but I could be wrong.

    I wouldn't trust a Chang's brakes at highway speeds either.
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  10. Threewheelbonnie

    Threewheelbonnie Long timer

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    I managed to loose half my points on an R1100R outfit. The thing was just unhappy at 30 mph (city limit) and would sit at 95 all day. This was a chair from Charnwood based on a DH Mosquito drop tank, so very easy through the air. One of the reasons I sold it was getting pulled at 47 in a 30. This is enough to get banned. I could have sworn I was doing no more than 35, but gave it throttle to take a left hander and it accelerated. I was lucky, the copper had better things to do than arrest me, gave me a basic speeding fine for doing 44 (then on 6 points, so halfway to getting banned). This is totally my fault of course, no excuses, but when a 60 hp machine will break every speed limit in the country, I don't need 80. Personal choice of course.

    All the home made diesel conversions I've seen have been industrial engines, lots of torque but no rev range. I'm thinking more like something out of a Suberu :evil

    Andy
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  11. lrutt

    lrutt SILENCE.....i kill you

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    Guzzi Convert Is just perfect. Simple, reliable, easy to manage as a semi-auto type ride. Many are used in that fashion.
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  12. claude

    claude Sidecar Jockey

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    Actually that is Sgt. Brown's rig. He is asking 12k for it but is probably open to offers. Click here to see th ewebsite he put up to sell it.
    http://www.geocities.com/sidecarsarge/ForSale.html
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  13. tony the tiger

    tony the tiger Long timer

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    Ayuh! :wink: Put together by a wiley sidecarist in PA, I think... :photog :wave
    mebbe' shoulda' used the "other" link, or is he still having problems w/geocities limiting the number of hits per day?
    classified ad w/description
    pic's

    *hoping this doesn't now get punted to fleamarket... just tryin' to help out!!
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  14. eastbloc

    eastbloc comprador bourgeois

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    All you need is a compressor and a bell and you can cover your touring costs selling ice cream to children along the way :lol3
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  15. tripodtiger

    tripodtiger Off riding around on bitumen circles.

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    Triumph Tiger.
    Steamer makes 85hp:thumb
    955i makes 105 or so.
    The line about a triple having the best bits of both twins and fours is pretty close to the mark.:nod

    Speed depends on your right wrist. You can't blame the bike if you get caught speeding around town.

    Cruising speed will also depend on the aerodynamics of the chair. Mine's wide & tall, so my cruising speed is knocked around a lot. So too is my fuel consumption, but hey, I don't use an outfit 'cause it's cheap.
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  16. fasteer

    fasteer Been here awhile

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    what do the experts have to say about Honda's Varadero as a tug?
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  17. Richard-NL

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    I’m not an expert :D , but it’s a Honda, so technically OK and strong enough, but not very fuel efficient. They are pretty thirsty. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:eek:ffice:eek:ffice" /><o:p></o:p>
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    And of course chain drive, with exception of the first one showed.

    Richard-NL :bmwrider
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  18. Bad Cat Racing

    Bad Cat Racing F1 Sidecar Racer

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    Well right now this is available on SteveEnglish.com for a steal... All I'd need to do is put lights/mirrors/turnsignals on it, get the brake/light inspection done, run it by the CHP and get the blue-tag on the frame, head to the DMV and get the engine ID verified, and them my CHP blue-tag paperwork, and walk out with my special-construction title, registration, and LICENSE PLATE. :rofl

    Two problems... It's in the UK =( All my money is going into the race effort at the moment. I can't even rebuild the forks/shocks on the Ducati.

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  19. chairhead

    chairhead HAIRY

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    At the mo im running an old bandit 1200 and RX4,this is great for me and it was cheap to boot,but if i was building a new one,then i think i would go with either the GSX 1400 which is a hell of a bike so much low down grunt,very good fuel economy,reliable and comfortable or maybe the FJR from Yamaha,this bike i have not ridden so nothing much to say about it,one thing it has in its favour is the shaft drive.
    the chair would be big maybe an oxford but with a fifteen inch wheel like the on below


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    one of my other fav chairs is this French example on the bandit,it just looks sweet,my guess is though it cost a bit more than the alloted 16k.
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  20. BuellGrrrl

    BuellGrrrl Been here awhile

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    To get the center of gravity down so you can corner faster, you want to get the heaviest masses- the engine and rider- as low as possible. The BMW boxer twins and lengthwise engine K bikes and the Honda Gold Wing and Valkrie get the engine down low. Amongst those bikes, the BMW R1200C and the Valkrie do a good job of seating the riders mass low too. Total weight is a factor to consider as well as height- the heavier the tug, the heavier the hack needed to stabilize it. For example, my Buell "tuber" has a slightly higher CG than a Sportster, but weights around 50 kilos less so it's sort of a trade off.
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