Yeah, I agree on all counts. I actually have a set of Givi E36 sidebags, and the adapters to use them with the SW Motech rack. But they are so wide, and not top loading, I have relegated those to use on my VFR. These aluminum panniers are what I wanted for big trips & heavy loading. For everyday riding I certainly don't need to lug anything that big around I had just finished cleaning up the garage before mounting up the cases today. Normally there is a bunch more clutter in there. The grandsons' toys seem to reproduce like rabbits. You can see a couple sitting out there. And then when SWMBO puts her Jeep in the right half, well I just get the left side for the bikes. And of course this time of year the snow-blower gets the front row. I'd really like to build a nice, dedicated motorcycle garage and man cave out back behind the house, but haven't found any big gold nuggets lately nor hit the lottery yet.