The Vintage Trials Thread

Discussion in 'Trials' started by Garthe, Oct 4, 2011.

  1. Twin-shocker

    Twin-shocker Long timer

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    Go for a TS Fantic................parts might not be easy in the US, but will work an awful lot better than any of the "P65" bikes, and will be much more fun to ride.
  2. mud

    mud I just wander.....

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    Yeah, It's pretty hard not to get sucked in to the pre-65 thing. I have an SSDT video that is really good.

    BUT, I know how much work they can be.
  3. Nodabs

    Nodabs Been here awhile

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    I rode Pre '65 bikes trials bikes for years without much more than changing oil and spark plugs on them. My Dick Mann built BSA B40 went from '91 until '97 without anything more than tires and then Bob Ginder re-ringed it and put a Boyer on it. It is still running.
    My Alloy Clipper was also built by Dick Mann and is a little more finicky, it eats points. All in all not too bad for some old beaters.
    I rode around 10 events a year and laid out at least 2 if not 3 more events a year with them.
    They are not for everyone, but they can be fun.
  4. mud

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    I haven't totally ruled it out.....:evil
  5. Twin-shocker

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    You should do...................P65 is very much an acquired taste, and unless you have a highly modified bike, it wont be that nice to ride in comparison to a nicely built twin shock.

    Best thing to do though if you are still undecided, is to go along to some events and see if you can get to try a few bikes.
  6. mud

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    Oh, I know... The biggest factory will just flat out be cost. I can get into a twin shock for WAY less, even if I build up a Majesty TY or something like that.
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    A few vintage photos of my Dad. 1978 or so, on his Ossa BLT Bolger, probably in District 7 (Maryland).

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  8. Gordo83

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    GREAT PICS!! Thanks for sharing.
  9. Rockcat

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    You should try one. My DM Alloy Clipper is incredibly fun to ride. The thump is addictive. They are expensive, but they do hold their value.
  10. Nodabs

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    Wow, someone else with a clipper!
  11. Rockcat

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    Mine was pretty stock before i gave it to Richard. The Ariel replica frame and the DM magic made it an incredible bike. I ride it almost every day.
  12. mud

    mud I just wander.....

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    SO, where are you guys getting these Dick Mann bikes????

    I should add, in the US to this statement.
  13. Twin-shocker

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    Most of the Ariel "Replica" frames made here in the UK are nothing of sort, being vague copies of the OIF bike used by Sammy Miller, that was never something that was produced by the Ariel factory back in the 1960s.

    Other bikes such as the Otter BSA wasnt a P65 machine either, and neither were 4 speed BSA Bantams, or square cylinder Tiger Cubs (both 67). Its only nitpicking, but seems to me if there are specific classes for the older bikes, that maybe its a good idea to have rules of some sort regarding eligibility?

    Maybe it would be a good idea to drop the term "P65" entirely, and just run the old bikes in a vintage class, with a Unit/P-Unit split?
  14. Rockcat

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    I got mine from him. I had an Alloy Clipper that looked nice, but didn't work at all. I got the nerve to call Richard and told him what I was looking for. He told me to bring him the engine and gearbox, a deposit, and he gave me this.

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    You can get his contact info from the AHRMA NW site. If I did not already have the pre-unit engine I would have had him build me a unit BSA. I've ridden a couple and they are great. The purists are happier with these since he doesn't use a new frame, just modifies a stock BSA frame. On his pre-unit bikes the most common is an Ariel 350, though I have seen GoldStars and even Triumph twins from his shop. The Alloy Clipper was the poor man's GoldStar when then brought them here in the 50's.
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  16. mud

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    That is pretty!

    Yeah, I have to do a bit more research before I would feel comfortable calling DM.....:eek1
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    I went to SM...for goodies at least. Yes, it's pretty good to have a vision of what you want to do first!

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    It isn't a big deal to talk to Richard. He is just a regular guy and he makes his living building these bikes. I've had several of his creations over the last 25 years. At one time between me and my friends here in Illinois we had at least 10 Dick Mann specials, every one different.
    My B40 is extra trick with a lowered rear subframe, Rickman hubs and trials specific frame geometry.
    The Clipper is mostly stockish, but comes with a great story.
    My father bought it new in '57 and rode enduros on it. He sold it in the early '60's to a guy who promptly crashed it into a car and parked it. My dad found it in the late '80's and sent it to Richard in the early 90's. Unfortunately my dad died right as Richard was finishing it up and never got to see it done.
    When it was finished we didn't ride it much for the next few years but my mother wanted it used. So I rode for a year or two in AHRMA events and had some fun with it.
    The coolest thing about the Clipper is that my first memory in life is riding on it's tank. I even remember where we rode, it was between our house and the motorcycle clubhouse that was in White City Il.. I'm thinking that it was in '61 or '62.
  19. mud

    mud I just wander.....

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    I would love to have an HT5/3 replica.... GOV132!!!:freaky
  20. mud

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    I do really feel that I would have to have my ducks in a row and KNOW what I want before I call him though.

    That is a great story about the Clipper.