The XL600 thread

Discussion in 'Thumpers' started by Gregster, Jul 6, 2007.

  1. BRPtourer

    BRPtourer Been here awhile

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    If the paint on the carbs is just cheap spray bomb stuff a good carb cleaner will usually take it off. I prefer Berkibile 2+2 Gum Cutter in the blue and red can, some of the others like Gumout and store brands seem pretty weak.
  2. sh0rtlife

    sh0rtlife Long timer

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    CRC red can is tough stuff too..gumout leaves an oily residue behind...brake clean will do as well but you better have all the rubber off or void hitting it lol....it tends to swell up rubber for a lil bit before it urns back to normal


    something i should note for ANYONE striping paint....a brake fluid soak is generaly safe on 95% of most items..with the exception being certain plastics..specificly that of turn signals and tail lights...but is ultra safe on other plastics..as ive been using the same tub (a cut down antifreeze jug) for doing 24 and 25th scale model cars for over 15 years..and only had it soften the plastic a few times..but after a wash its as good as new..ive used brake fluid to remove paint from tins, plastic bike fenders, pretty well everything under the sun..but it will disolve most tail lights
  3. Watcher

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    When we first got the 86 I didn't know much about the oil flowing to head issue and ended up running around on the bike for 20 or 30 minutes with no oil, none, getting to the top end. I had been wondering if that did any damage, and after riding around for 500 miles or so she started getting hard to start. Pulled the engine out and found the cam and rockers were ground up. The Center journal in the head had scoring as did the mating journal in the rocker cover although that was much lighter.

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    I did find what looks like a decent head, valve cover, and rockers over on E-bay, so those are on the way, but I am still looking for the cam. I could send the original to Megacam but the total cost is somewhere north of $270 ( the center has to be repaired which adds to the cost as well as California Tax). So I am looking for a less expensive alternative; for reference, the prices listed on the fiches for a new one is around $140, which of course are no longer available.
    This was posted over in the thread Early (85-87) XR600R/XL600R Camshaft options ???

    So I am wondering if anyone else has gone this route and what if any modifications would have to be done. There seem to be plenty of rocker covers, rockers, and cams available for anything newer than 87. If not I am still in the market for a cam.
  4. mcma111

    mcma111 Long timer

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    Watcher,

    As far as finding an OE XL600 cam goes your up the creek without a paddle. I just checked E-Bay England and Germany. No cams there either. Your only option is a Mega Cycle regrind/repair.

    BTW...They will not warranty the cam unless you do the rockers also. By the time all is said and done it's $500.00 for the cam and rockers. BTDT
  5. the_tulip

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    Trying to remove the kickstarter decompressor lever to replace the seal. Can't seem to figure it out. Can anyone help me out here? Here's some pictures. Thanks.

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    Here is the inside of the kickstarter decompressor lever, do I have to remove that pin?
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  6. smile431

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    I have a xl600 that I am thinking about selling due to lack of time to work on it. Since I bought it I have been working 7 days a week if anyone is interested let me know.. parting out is a possibility but it does have a clean title. For pics check out project deep doodoo thread.:freaky
  7. Watcher

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    Steve, thanks for checking those overseas sites, that's something I never thought of. I will keep looking for a few days but if nothing comes up I will go with Mega Cycle. I didn't know there was a warranty either. They did say I could use the OEM rockers but recommended a high zinc content oil like Red Line if I was going to do that.
    All the above is for the 86. When I put the 83 back together I replaced one rocker with an NOS one and the cam had one lobe that was just at the lowest end of the spec. It makes me really interested in that idea of replacing the rocker cover with one off an XR600 and then going with a post 1988 XR cam to put on the 83. With this possibility in mind I did some checking on E-bay today, the cost of the Rocker cover with rockers plus a cam would still only be half the cost of a regrinding the original cam and rockers in the 83 XL. Plus any additional cams or rockers, if they were ever needed, would be of the easy to find post 88 variety.

    This was the first time I come across that particular idea so I am hoping for some feedback about potential problems going that route. Things like, are the cam profiles the same, do you need different rockers then either the XL or XR, and will the rocker cover bolt to the same frame brackets or would I have to fabricate new ones? Any info would be greatly appreciated.
  8. lookfar

    lookfar from the land of OZ

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    My Haynes manual says the pin has to be removed, it says it should just pull out.
    HTH
  9. the_tulip

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    The factory manual says to do that for the manual decompressor lever, and that one came out just fine. For the kickstarter decompressor lever, the manual says to disconnect the spring and remove the kickstarter valve lifter lever, but it doesn't seem to be that easy.
  10. jscott0419

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    I need help diagnosing the issues i am having with my xl600r...the bike would not start, had spark, some of the resitance specifications were off (not by much), but after reading, and reading and reading i replaced the stator. After the stator, NO SPARK? Now i am very confused as to why i had spark before, now i do not? I guess the only 2 items left would be CDI/Igtion coil? I really dont want to replace these 2 again....does anyone have any other suggestions, testing methods etc to help?
  11. sh0rtlife

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    the ignition pickup coil is probably the cause
  12. Watcher

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    If you are getting voltage off the black and red wire (coming from the stator) and the resistance tests on the stator, pulse coil, and ignition coil all check out, then before you buy a new cdi I would start checking for corrosion issues. Besides checking the wire terminals and wire continuity check the spark plug boot on the end of the ignition coil. I guess some folks remove the resistor. I left it in place but cleaned all the contact points including both ends of the little spring, (that part was important). The other area I would check is for a contact to ground of the black and white wire that comes from the cdi. This is the kill wire, whenever you turn the key or kill switch to off it provides a path to ground for circuitry inside the cdi, if you have corrosion in either the key switch or kill switch it can ( and did ) form that bridge to ground... In my case corrosion built up across the the soldered connection points in the kill switch. Both of these things, the spark plug boot and the B/W wire to ground have both caused intermittent and no spark conditions; robust weak and no spark conditions from one kick to the next.

    An easy way to check for ignition corrosion would be to disconnect the two black and white wires from behind the head light, this is where they come together to form one wire that goes to the cdi. With the wires disconnected check for spark, you might also check to see if the wire is frayed and touching ground anywhere along its length.

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    Please keep us posted on what you find out.
  13. Edouard_Bracame

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    I can't post pictures anymore is there a reason for this?

    I wanted to post a picture of my new fuel tank for my 600 XLM...:wink:
  14. MortimerSickle

    MortimerSickle Semi-Adventurer

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    Apparently picture attachments have been disabled as of 2 Feb 2012. It's now necessary to link to an external account such as SmugMug. There is an announcement at the top of the Thumpers page.
  16. tractor4play

    tractor4play Been here awhile

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    check out david silvers in england.loadsa honda stuff and he had xl 600 cams before christmas.goodluck.
  17. tractor4play

    tractor4play Been here awhile

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    very correct.i can confirm this because i know of a guy in england that races in the twinshock mx.he uses an adapter with great resualts.
  18. lookfar

    lookfar from the land of OZ

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    I have been looking around for replacement plastics for my XL for a while now, this is what I have
    managed to pick up so far.

    All are NIB.:D

    All are genuine Honda.:D

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  19. Reposado1800

    Reposado1800 Juicy J fan!

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    Very nice.:evil
  20. Edouard_Bracame

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    Just got the information today that cmsnl.com got camshaft available again in their stock.