The XL600 thread

Discussion in 'Thumpers' started by Gregster, Jul 6, 2007.

  1. Oil-Burner

    Oil-Burner Ssssssssmokin

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    Did a web search and didnt find any info for XLs.

    I'm starting to prep our bikes to do the TLH this year and this has probably never been done on this bike :huh. The shock works great so I don't see a need to replace the shock itself and was wondering if anyone here has experience changing the rear shock oil on an XL.

    The rear shock has an air fill valve on top that could be used to drain and fill oil, like the Harley shock I changed oil in a few years ago, but I don't know what viscosity or quantity to use.

    Any ideas? Anyone done this? :ear
  2. Carter Pewterschmidt

    Carter Pewterschmidt Long timer

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    I plan on running an open air filter setup and I couldn't find any info on pods either. So I don't know if I'm going to do the pods or do a different type of air filter setup. Either way I plan on fabbing up an aluminum tray to hold electrics and the battery. I'll make a thread about it when I put the bike together so you'll know then.
  3. Carter Pewterschmidt

    Carter Pewterschmidt Long timer

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    The stock shock does not have an air valve on it because it's a non rebuild-able unit. You may have some sort of aftermarket piece, maybe a shock off another bike, or sometimes people weld one into the stock shock so it can be rebuilt. Put some pictures of up of that thing from a few angles and we can help you identify it.
  4. jaredtowne

    jaredtowne Huh?

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    Hey guys.. I need some help with some XL stator wiring.. I have this aftermarket 200w stator. it is NOT going to an XL harness. It is going to a homemade jobbie with a 200w DC reg/rec.

    In the following pic is the wires I have to work with,, The asshats I got this thing from could offer little to no help. I understand black/red is my ignition... I ASSUME the two whites are what I will hook up to my reg/rec (4 wire reg/rec). Then the green again,, i ASSUME is a ground? where the heck does it go? isnt the stator itself already ground to the engine through the bolts?.. Then the yellow??? another AC output? dont know! ... Any help on this is GREATLY appreciated!

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    My wiring is as follows - Battery -fuse- keyswitch, all lighting has its individual ground back to the block. The chassis was NOT used as a ground as of yet. or should the chassis still be connected to the (-) side?? is that required for the ignition?
  5. Oil-Burner

    Oil-Burner Ssssssssmokin

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    Thanks for the reply Carter I did not know that about the XL rear shock, maybe it is newer then i thought :1drink. I have not removed it yet, so the pics are limited to the top and bottom of the housing. However I did notice a number stamped into the top housing so that might help.

    I'm iPad challenged so I apologize for the large pics, but they do give good detail :lol3

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  6. 12120

    12120 Unwittingly Domesticated

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    I have a 200w stator to work with, and they make AC ballast now so no need for DC conversion. :clap You can get a dual bulb setup with a HID low side and halogen high side. So I guess if the ballast goes you can just switch to the high side. I am assuming anyway.:D I guess I will have to find a kit and give it a try. :wink:

    Chris
  7. Carter Pewterschmidt

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    Well for starters it doesn't look like it has a remote res so it's probably not a Works shock or a Honda Showa unit. It's aluminum bodied and kind of shaped like a Wilbers maybe it's an old one of those. Sure has a lot of dampening adjustment settings lol

    If no one else can figure it out I'd probably send those pictures to race tech or some other suspension shop and they may be able to figure out what kind it is and what oil to fill it with.
  8. mcma111

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    Looks like a WP or White Power shock
  9. beardothebeardo

    beardothebeardo Been here awhile

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    OK, got a problem with the upper rpm's on my 86 XL6. Runs out clean, crisp and quickly until about the last 1/5th of throttle. Basically WOT. I have a new Ricky Stator, coil, wire and plug. Went through the carbs. and the only known problem in the carbs is the diaphragm for the air valve. There is a pin hole in it, but was under the impression that it was strictly for decel. Is this the problem, or should I be looking at the CDI? This problem is completely consistent. I would very much like to get this problem sorted. Other than that, it runs well.
  10. davek181

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    What are you running for main jets? Super trapp with too few disks?

    If it is consistently repeatable I would guess one of the above problems, or something like that.
  11. beardothebeardo

    beardothebeardo Been here awhile

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    Stock mains, 118 Primary, 115 Secondary, stock exhaust. Valves adjusted and rechecked.
  12. beardothebeardo

    beardothebeardo Been here awhile

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    I bought this bike as a non-runner. And has been present since I got it going. Line from the tank is new, just installed last week. Petcock has been cleaned out. I have had the carbs off multiple times as I progressed. This problem is present from the time I kick the bike to life (only one or two kicks, when regularly used), until I decide to shut it off. I'm stumped.
  13. davek181

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    Sounds a little lean on the mains to me. I would try the 118 in the secondary and 120 in the primary for starters, or go to 122 on the primary alone. I have a super-Trapp on mine and I am running 125, 115.

    Depending on altitude you want 119 to 123 overall main jet sizing I have found. Add both sizes and divide by two to get overall. IE 115, 118 /2= 116.5 overall average. mine 125,115 /2= 120 overall. I seem to get better low end performance jetting the primary richer while keeping my overall ratio in the range I like. For summer my next trial will be 130, 108, which will yield 119, which is pretty right on my bike for summer.
  14. beardothebeardo

    beardothebeardo Been here awhile

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    I hate writing out what my back ground is. Maybe we all should start putting what experience we have in our signatures, just as a heads up. I have done all that you have talked about. That's why I mentioned having the carbs off multiple times. Just to double and triple check myself. The only other part I can think of is the actual ignition pick-up not picking up as the revs rise. But one would think that would be affecting at all RPMs.

    Starving for fuel was the first thought through my head, and will probably triple check all that again.

    I was hoping there was something obscure with these bikes that I was missing.

    Stock main jets shouldn't produce what I'm going through. If so, then all these bikes when new would have gone through the same thing. They didn't, and that's why I rule that out.
  15. davek181

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    These were known to be lean when new. Back in those days you would nurse it home lean from the showroom and pull the bowls to rejet. Gas has evolved since then too, reed vapor pressure has changed as has octane, and beneficial additives are virtually nonexistent these days.

    I have done extensive experimentation with jetting and needles and slides over the years to get to where I am now. I hate to pull the carbs so I have figured out ways to do nearly everything with carbs in place. I did have to pull them off last year to replace the decell diaphragm finally, I just got tired of the backfires.
  16. Homerb

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    I had a similar problem on a yamaha some years ago. Pulled head off, checked valves, cleaned and rebuilt carbs countless times. Bla bla bla. Turned out to be cdi.
    If possible, swap for a known good cdi, to eliminate that as a possibity.
  17. m2h

    m2h "Old guys rule"

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    Hi guys, Am doing a rebuild on my '86 and would like to ask about partzilla's crankcase gasket set. It says its not OEM and i was wondering if anyone had any experience with them? Would appreciate any help as to alternatives:D
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  18. davek181

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    I prefer OEM gaskets, sometimes if you price them they are fairly competitive. I definitely use only OEM seals. It is really hard to go back and replace the center case gasket after the fact in case of failure.
  19. Stretchah

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    Have you checked the ignition pick up is in the right resistance range? I'd give that a go first as easier to rule out rather than opening up the carbs again. I've had issues with pick-ups before and it tends to bog down in the upper rev range as the resistance builds and it steadily gets worse moving down the rev range over time...if it's not that and I think you said you'd swapped out cdi and coil then at least you know it's more likely to be fuelling issues, good luck
  20. davek181

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    Never hurts to double check the electrical side. Usually though it seems electrical maladies aren't so predictable and repeatable. I had an intermittent issue with a stator that had me convinced it was carburetor problems.

    I had been battling previous owner neglect and finding white crusties from dried fuel occasionally collecting in the the fuel bowl and getting sucked into a main jet on high flow. Luckily I have XR carbs and could just unscrew the nut off the bottom of the float bowl and dump it out. I cleaned and flushed the tank but still seemed to act up now and again, curiously after a wheelie more often than not, I figured I was stirring up muck in the tank. I would set the front end back down and notice reduced power, very much like one carb's main jet choking on a hairball. It would run but just at half power. Sometimes it would pass on it's own, but more likely I would stop at first opportunity and pull the right main jet cover and dump it out noticing that I really didn't see much for chunks there, but it always worked. I figured I would eventually get all the crap worked though bit by bit. I was curious why always the right side cured it and never had to pull the left.

    One day sitting at a stoplight after having been far out of town, the engine shut off like someone had turned off the key. Fortunately I was only about a block from the shop so I could push it from there. I found the stator had failed so I ordered up a Ricky and put it in, a modification I was planning anyway if it gave me any lip. The bike fired right up first kick after the new stator and I also noticed easier starting in general from that point on, so it was apparently weak and I didn't know it. From that day forward my mysterious carburetor drop out problem completely disappeared too. I still wonder to this day how it was triggered by a wheelstand or heavy load, and how pulling the main jet cover and dumping it seemed to revive it. I can only imagine the load broke it down, and the ritual of pulling the cover allowed enough cooling time to recover.

    My Ricky stator has failed once too since then, but it died on the charge coil side of it that time and didn't make me walk, or cause any running problems. It had lasted a long time, so I bought another Ricky without hesitation and put it in. I figured it had gone 20,000 miles which was farther than the original so it was the obvious choice. Also after contacting Ricky they offered to repair or replace it free of charge. I still need to send it in to them and have a spare on the shelf just in case.