The XL600 thread

Discussion in 'Thumpers' started by Gregster, Jul 6, 2007.

  1. RFVC600R

    RFVC600R SAND EATER!

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    The acceleration from 0-80 on mine is fucking awesome, I can keep up with most sports cars until about 85mpoh, then it's slow to accelerate. No business going over 90 on these things anyway.

    Good news, I got my engine put back together correctly, gonna drop the motor in tomorrow. :clap
  2. Aaron from Texas

    Aaron from Texas Been here awhile

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    Haha, I think if the price is right, I might get the head worked over... Otherwise, reliability is the name of the game.

    Awesome. I can't wait to get back to that point.

    One quick question. For disassembly purposes, should I just remove the tensioner and shaft, or remove tension?
  3. RFVC600R

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    The whole tensioner will come out, there is a little pin and the that holds it in place and after that,the shaft will be pulled out with some pliers. Be careful pulling the unit out, it will 'snap' and could cut the shit out of one of your fingers. To get it back in, clamp the spring down with tongue and groove pliers and zip tie it down, reinstall the tensioner, then take a paperclip, get it red hot with a torch or stove and melt through the tie and the tensioner will click, taking up all the slack in the chain.

    Here is a video on how to do it on a XRL, very similar to our XLs. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9Q4NLjps7I

    Should be easier for you to do it than me, you seem like a better mechanic!
  4. Aaron from Texas

    Aaron from Texas Been here awhile

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    Cool, thanks man...
  5. Aaron from Texas

    Aaron from Texas Been here awhile

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    So, I'm thinking oil cooler again. While the engine is out and away, I've got room to tinker.

    Looking at something like this: http://www.jegs.com/i/Earls/361/20700A/10002/-1?parentProductId=1675460

    I'm looking to build a bracket to mount this up under the headlight, behind the shroud where the horn currently is. Relocating the horn is a non-issue, but I'm curious to know what sort of fittings I will need to tap into?

    Where is the most effective place to add this to the system? I'm guessing out of the return line from the engine to the frame is the most plausible... So I would need a fitting to replace that hose to go to the cooler, and from the cooler to the frame.

    What are the fittings used on this system? These coolers come in AN 8, 10, or 12 or 12mm x 1.5mm but I'm "plumbing fitting ignorant." Are these AN fittings on the bike? Or...? :ear
  6. lookfar

    lookfar from the land of OZ

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    Why not use one of these?
    From a Honda XR400, just needs a couple of studs welded on to the frame, plumb it in, good to go.

    http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/97-1997-...rcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2580457485
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  8. crobox

    crobox Been here awhile

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    Davek has written extensively on the oil cooler plumbing question, and even included pictures. A search should turn up lots of info.

    Dave... a few days ago you wrote about how you've saved thousands of dollars compared to purchasing your dream bikes. That has stayed with me, and I gotta ask... what are your dream bikes?

    Christian
  9. davek181

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    That is a very good question because I really don't know the answer. That is why they are called dream bikes. One bike that will do everything you want is impossible I believe. I guess that is why the plural "bikes"

    If I have to come up with rides that I think would be the best for me a fair number of them would be orange in color. Be advised that I have not ridden any of these bikes extensively, if at all so my opinion is just that, an opinion albeit formed after much reading and bench racing.

    For trail riding the gold standard is the KTM 300 two smoke, although I do have quite a bit of interest in the 250 also for alleged nimbleness and better vibration level. On popped up on the local craigslist recently and I was very tempted to snap it up but was financially unable to pull it off and remain married too. I have a riding buddy that has a 300 and I hope to swap bikes on one of our trail rides.

    For everyday riding and commuting and gravel road and light trail exploring which is now the duty of my 600, I would look to orange again and hop on a 690. It is in my opinion everything my 600 is on steroids, except for reliability maybe. I have also considered the 525 in my dream mind, but I really like the thrust of the big bore singles and have seen comments that the 525 though ample in horsepower gives up a little thrust.

    For longer road riding I am torn in my dreams. BMW comes to the forefront for very refined long touring motorcycles. Their touring motorcycles are among the best of the breed and very well thought out.

    For sport touring I have to give the nod to the orange bikes again and go with the KTM 990 adventurer. It is a capable road machine with good gravel road manners, I have seen videos of people single tracking them even. My brother in law has a riding buddy that does just that with his. He takes it nearly anywhere he can take his 650R as long as you are not talking really gnarly trails. (See KTM 300).

    Admittedly none of these machines are on my radar for purchase due to cash flow issues. You will notice that all my dream bikes are in the higher expense category. Funny how that works, isn't it? I guess that qualifies the term "dream bike".

    I also very much enjoy the process of perfecting the XL600 and others from the first seed of thought through completion. I don't know what I would do with myself if I had a perfect motorcycle.

    I think the best motorcycle in the world is one that you will ride. If it just sits in the garage and gets polished and admired it is nothing more than another piece of furniture. (See Harley)

    Dave
  10. RFVC600R

    RFVC600R SAND EATER!

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    You can't make a perfect bike, but you can definitely make the perfect XL.
  11. erik350

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    I'm sure it has been asked before, but I couldn't find it. If somebody can confirm that the XL clutch plates are the same that the XR , would be great. i know the XR uses one mores disc, but I;M asking about the size. Just rebuilt top end and now clutch is slipping. thanks in advance.
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  12. davek181

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    The friction disks are the same part number, I just looked.

    Be careful using oils with friction reducers I poisoned my clutch with car oil and it slipped.
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    thanks very much indeed. yes, I'M aware about using aditives in the oil. noy always a good idea.
  14. lookfar

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    +1 oil must have NO friction modifiers at all.
    A lot of the guys here use a diesel oil, Mobil Delo 400


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    Or Shell Rotella.

    Most of my cars, trucks, and machinery are diesel, so I just buy 5 gallon jugs of Rotella and put it in everything, including bikes.
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    Thanks for the thorough reply about dream bikes, Dave. My XL600 rebuild started off innocently enough as: "I gotta fix up this crappy old XL so I can sell it and by an Adventure 950." Needless to say, I'm not going in that direction anymore and I love the XL now. I rode BMWs for years, including a K1100LT that I swore I'd never sell, I loved it so much. Then last year I sold it on a whim, and my K75 too. I don't really miss them that much. For some reason I've been hot on the Moto Guzzi LeMans lately. I love the style. I've heard they're a bit of a nightmare, in terms of maintenance and reliability, though. But I can't wrap up this post without saying again how much I love the XL... rode it yesterday for the first time in about 2 weeks and man it's just so much fun.
  17. Carter Pewterschmidt

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    My dream bike is the Ducati Hypermotard, but at $10k I'll probably just end up putting supermoto wheels on my XL.

    Maybe one day I'll get that Duc...
  18. davek181

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    I can't explain what it is about the old XL's either but I have had opportunities to abandon the old thing but haven't even considered it yet. I had a friend lend me an XR650L last year to ride while I was waiting for parts for my XL. The instructions were to ride it like it was my own, as much as I wished. I was performing the smog blockoff and rejet and carbdrilling that is generally regarded as must do's to the XRL and so extended testing was needed.

    The L did respond to treatment alright,and it was fun enough to ride, but I kept wanting the crude old XL even more. The L was smoother and quieter and the controls and everything had a tighter feel to them since it was much newer. Rather than make me aspire to buy one I was thinking of how I could incorporate the bits of the L that I really liked onto my XL instead. The parts I liked better was a short list, the brakes. I did in fact later incorporate an XLR caliper into my CR fork swap with an XL250 wheel and it did improve the braking.

    I aquired a vintage Kawi 750 shaft drive in the meantime too and figured it could be my commuter since I ride 20 minutes of highway twice a day. I fixed all the little things wrong with it and put on a rear rack to haul stuff and got the suspension set up how I like. I found that when it comes time to ride home, I take the XL everytime even with the highway duty. I just flat enjoy riding it over the Kawi. I do like the rear brake on the kawi quite a bit though. (insert brilliant design plan for kawi rear disc or caliper swap to XL).

    My winter projects are shaping up to be a rear disc setup (probably XR) I wish to retain the 17" wheel so a relace is on the horizon which is no problem except for the spokes. I also want to quiet the exhaust a little if possible. I bought the muffler off the XR that Steve was parting out and I will likely perform a partial baffleectomy to achieve my goal of quiet and free flow.

    So, the neverending project continues...
  19. daviethebiker

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    I agree with davek181 on the brakes. My XL600 came with almost new EBC brake pads and shoes and I very much want better brakes. My rear brake is about the same as no brake. My XL's front disc is almost passable , but I would like a much stronger front as that is the brake I use most . I was thinking about replacing the pads to better gripping pads . Does anyone know a brand of pads that work better better . Are the stock pads available and are they better ? What are the best pads for a stock XL600 brake system ?
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    I use nothing but Galfer pads any more. Try to find the green , copper or black backing plated ones in that order. EBC sintered pads are real hard on rotors. If you had the red backed EBC's they're as bad as stock. Spend the money , good pads are'nt cheap and cheap pads don't work well.