The Yamaha Super Tenere XT1200Z Big Thread

Discussion in 'Land of the Rising Sun: ADV Bikes from Japan' started by mr moto, Feb 9, 2008.

  1. markjenn

    markjenn Long timer

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    Virtually any bike can be picked up with with the right techniques, but I don't think there is any doubt the S10 will be considerably more difficult to right than a KLR. If you're near your physical limits with the KLR, you may be over the limit with the S10. And I'm not a big believer that the S10 has any significant low-CG advantage over other comparable bikes - it's a tall DOHC parallel-twin with a high-mounted radiator and battery.

    If you feel you need to address this concern, my suggestion is that you look at the 650-800cc adventure twins.... Wee, F800GS, Versys, etc. Or the small Tiger. Or, if your off-road needs are modest, even the CB500X which is about the same weight as your KLR, but is a lot nicer bike for highway cruising.

    - Mark
  2. HBL

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    He picked that thing up like it was a toy :eek1 Okay, I should be fine. Time to start shopping :clap
  3. RED CAT

    RED CAT Bumpy Backroader

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    Installs tires with his bare hands.:lol3
  4. HBL

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    Thanks. Off-road ambitions for this bike would be relatively modest, gravel and fire roads. After a few weekends home alone this past summer, the wife is suddenly interested in riding along. I am 6'3" and 210 lbs., so the KLR feels pretty cramped when she climbs on board. I want to keep that upright riding position and leg room, and the S10 seems to provide that where many other bikes have less seat to peg distance. Picking the thing up is my only concern, so probably best to just stop at the dealer to get a better feel for the bike.

    Thanks again for the comments :beer
  5. snakebitten

    snakebitten Small Town Hick

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    He is an amazing fella, ain't he?

    He has no idea how many things I think I can do now because "Ray did it". :)
  6. Happy Snapper

    Happy Snapper GOMOB.

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    My switch from KLR to S10 surprised me at how mucho easier it is to pick up the S10 than the KLR. Thought it would be harder.... but not so!
  7. HBL

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    Thank you! Somewhere in the thousands of posts I have read, somebody made a similar comment in comparing the S10 to his Wee, so I was looking for some additional real life comparisons and confirmation. It didn't feel that bad to me when I took it off center but the dealer I visited wasn't excited about laying it down so I could pick it up. I'll try another dealer, but this gives me more confidence. My first reaction when I watched Git Ray's video was not a new found level of confidence, but rather a desire to avoid ever getting this guy mad at me! :rofl

  8. GrahamD

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    Yes compare the two...

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    Way more fun with the smaller bike :lol3
  9. markjenn

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    All I can say is use some common sense about this. If you really want to believe that is is easier to pick up a 575-lb bike vs. 430-lb bike, be my guest. As for first hand experiences, I've picked up my S10 a few times and owned a Wee for five years and did the same with it. As you'd expect, the 100-lb lighter Wee was easier.... by about what you'd expect with a 100-lb lighter bike. And I'd expect the KLR would feel... about 50-lbs lighter still.

    Don't get me wrong.... the S10 carries its weight well and returns a lot of capability and comfort for the extra weight compared to a KLR. But it's a PITA hoisting it off the deck, and if you ride it off-road in some terrain, you can get the bike into situations (due to slippery conditions, off-camber, etc.) that righting it alone is essentially impossible.

    I'm sure someone will now show a video of a 95-lb sopping-wet woman righting a Goldwing with one arm tied behind her back.

    - Mark
  10. Wreckchecker

    Wreckchecker Ungeneer to broked stuff.

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    Your wife is probably going to really like the Tenere's pillion seat. It's big and fairly flat.
  11. McBoab

    McBoab Fast side of farty

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    I dumped my S10 (left the disk lock on :muutt ) and it is definitely not a hard beast to pick up . it was far easier than my previous XT660Z as the S10 does carry its weight low so its easier to lever up onto its tyres. If however it was inverted ie top end lower than wheels or needed a vertical lift then the dead weight would be a back breaker.
  12. Kenbike

    Kenbike Been here awhile

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    I dropped mine in the mountains of NC last march on a dirt fire road when I hit ice. Went off the road and into a ditch about 3 feet deep. I carry a rescue block and tackle and was able to pull the front end up, block it with a log then the back and block it. Took about 3 pulls on each end and finally had it back on the road. At that point I was so pumped up I picked up no problem. A trick I have used is to carry black tape and wrap it around the front brake lever so the wheel is locked and keep the bike in gear so when you lift the bike will roll because of a slope.
    If you plan ahead you should have no problem. Can also think about installing a winch on the rear rack.
  13. tremor38

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    Ya know, Mark... I realize you own and S10, but that sounds like an awful lot of speculative wind blowing about something you obviously haven't tried yet with your S10. I weigh 150lbs soaking wet, my left arm is nearly useless and I can pick up my S10 using only the handle bars.

    I wouldn't exactly call it easy, but it's certainly not something that would have me recommending mid weight bikes to someone who owned a KLR. Maybe, when my bike was laying on its side, I should have just waved a white flag after fretting over the "tall DOHC parallel-twin with a high-mounted radiator and battery." Jeebus, fella, do you even read posts from people who've picked their bike up?
  14. avc8130

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    When I have dropped mine in the dirt, I have found the key to picking it back up is to act quickly.

    Grab the darn bike and right it while the adrenaline is pumping and you are still pissed off.

    If you stand up, dust yourself off, try to figure out what went wrong, take a picture, wait for the Starbucks to finish you latte, etc the energy drops and it is that much harder to right the ship.

    ac
  15. tremor38

    tremor38 Long timer

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    Haha!! Naw, it's not the adrenaline. If you allow the bike to stay on it's side too long it falls asleep and becomes dead weight.
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    pedroecompanhia Restless Rider

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    I couldn't agree more!! :freaky
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    While true, this is also the way you can do major damage to your back by the adrenaline cashing checks your back can't pay.

    - Mark
  18. Dallara

    Dallara Creaks When Walks...

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    Ya' just gotta' understand...

    Mark really doesn't like the Super Tenere much. Just about every other bike out there is better to hear him tell it. I honestly don't know why he owns one.

    He forgets a low CG really does help when picking a bike up, and that just about the heaviest thing on the Super Tenere - the crankshaft - does sit very low when compared to other bikes. It also carries the majority of its fuel low and behind the engine's cylinders, rather than above them.

    It's also obvious he's never picked up a KLR with a full tank of fuel, much less one with a big IMS tank and a full fuel load. Makes picking up the S-10 look like child's play. :lol3

    I've dropped my Super Tenere four times... Once in very sandy conditions in a set of deep ruts, and yes, the wheels ended up higher than the bars. It was still easier to pick up than my last KLR was - period.





    Amen, AC! :thumb

    Works for me, and has for over 40 years, both on- and off-road! :rofl




    And you are speaking from experience? Have you ever had such an adrenaline-induced back injury, Mark? :dunno

    :lurk

    Dallara



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  19. GrahamD

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    That's just Mark. No big deal. Glass half empty king of guy. The plus side is he never runs out of beer.
  20. Wreckchecker

    Wreckchecker Ungeneer to broked stuff.

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    Done the KLR and have the Tonere. While the Yam is heavier, it doesn't go flat like the KLR, so that you are deadlifting the handle bars.

    Like with the Gold Wing, ST1100, BMWs, and other bikes, the Tenere has a stock set of tip over guards. Lots of us add aftermarket bars that take the place of the plastic tip over guards. Either way, they become a pivot point, so you rock the bike up that first 30(?) degrees. It's not dead weight from the ground, like the KLR.

    The Tenere is much easier.
    :muutt
    fwiw - I've had the adrenaline kick in while falling and herniated discs.
    Guess that dumb-ass move doesn't count.
    :huh