The Yamaha Super Tenere XT1200Z Big Thread

Discussion in 'Land of the Rising Sun: ADV Bikes from Japan' started by mr moto, Feb 9, 2008.

  1. hookeniggy

    hookeniggy Been here awhile

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    Took a testride on a gs adv this afternoon and had very high expectations of that bike regarding to comfort, in this respect i was a little dissapointed.
    I 'll be riding the S12 later this week
  2. Tee Dee Mmm

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    Has a stock plastic bash plate but from what i was told none of the ordered OutBack packs which is the panniers bash plate etc have arrived in Aust yet. i will get the alloy bash plate when they become avaliable.
  3. protondecay123

    protondecay123 Been here awhile

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  4. Two Plugs

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    Agree with the postings about comfort towards the GS. And about low speed riding (walking speed): It is not that bad. Like written above by R3B you simply have to 'play' with the clutch and apply your rear break. No worries here; it is as easy as it can get.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:eek:ffice:eek:ffice" /><o:p></o:p>
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    For comfort... There is only one bike in this 'class' who is more comfy as the S10 and that's the XL1000V Varadero. The saddle is just as great, but the Dero offers (much) more wind/weather protection. <o:p></o:p>
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    In the German Motormagazine MOTORRAD there has been a big big trail test with 5 of the most popular big trail bikes. They covered quit a distance, riding up-and-down to the Northcape in Norway. <o:p></o:p>
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    Surprisingly the S10 loses fully towards its competitors on the engine ánd on riding stability. Engine I can understand (f.e. and like I stated in my test report the BMW boxer is more refined; and the Varadero V-2 is really the best you can get giving enough torque from 1.000 RPM) since you better keep it around or slightly above 2.000 RPM. <o:p></o:p>
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    The magazine is in the bookshop now, but I'm waiting for the Dutch translation which will be available soon in MOTOPLUS. <o:p></o:p>
  5. Old Git Ray

    Old Git Ray Now retired...YeeHaa

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    I have a criticism of the S10. The panniers are too weak and the rack is a joke. IMHO. So much so that I have splashed out and bought a Metal Mule set. On the plus side, there are 4 very strong mounting poins under the crap rack.

    The panniers are good for commuting and very well made, not suffering the weak key problem of the old 08 on XT660Z boxes, being waterproff and not suffering the aluminium blackening problem. Incidentally, the S10 comes with 3 extra locks to fit the boxes, just like the BMW.
    The problem with them is that there is no support at the lower rear corner. All you guys that have them, press on all 4 corners of the outside face of the box and you will see what I mean.
    Because of this, in the event of an off road crash, it is highly likely that a rock or lump of earth will put pressure on that corner and the weight of the bike will put too much pressure on the opposite corner and snap the weak plastic fixing off. If this happens, it will be very difficult to re attach sufficiently securely to get you home.

    One way around this is to fabricate some sort of support frame like that comes with the BMW GSA. I did this with my 08 XT660Z.

    I was fortunate to have been at the Horizons Unlimited meet at Ripley UK over the weekend and Yamaha had lent an S10 to Paul the owner of Metal Mule. He has proto typed a rack and pannier mounts for the S10. I was so impressed, I bought a set. I am of course now completely skint !

    I will post pics of them ASP.
  6. horseman474

    horseman474 Outback Albatross

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    Hi all,
    Well I went into Sydney today and took an S10 for a ride.....
    For those ADV riders in countries that are not getting this bike you may want to click away some were else.......

    First impression when looking at the bike....it's a lot prettier in the flesh and has a nice silver speckle mixed in with the blue. It also looks bigger.

    I'm 6ft3 tall and weigh 100 kilos. Been riding bikes all my life going back and foward from street to dirt bikes. My current bike is a Honda CRF450x that I flogg every other weekend. (A bit of back ground info)

    Back to the S10...I rode the bike for 40 mins in various urban conditions. From heavy city traffic/freeway and suburbs..(No dirt but I feel with diffent tyre , No worries).

    I felt extremly comfortable on the bike and confident from the moment I hoped on... Is this bike heavy ? I sure did not feel it ! I was flicking it around round abouts with no problem.

    Hit 130klms per hour on the freeway and noticed minor buffetting on the top of my head. This may bother some people who are used to larger fairings but not me...I could ride the thing all day at that speed.

    I then went and tested a 2009 GSA beemer with 13thou on the clock...
    (it's the bike I've wanted for a long time). I didnt test a new 4 valve as I'm not going to spend that much money on a motorcycle. I dont know what people pay in Europe or the US but in Oz, GSA'S are running at $31 thou new).

    The bike felt very top heavy to me and I felt I had to be a lot more cautious when riding through round-a -bouts...It did not give me the confidence that the Yamaha did..other than that it was a joy to ride.

    Did I put down a deposit on the Tenere...No...but I will in two weeks when my end of financial year bonus comes through !!!

    I loved the bike... :clap (My wife thinks it looks better as well):freaky
  7. gateman

    gateman Long timer

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    What tyres Tee Dee Mmm?
    Look like the stock TDM showroom tyre. Metzler's maybe?
    As aTDM owner it is the next obviouse choice. Was it hard to make the move.
  8. R3B

    R3B Lazy Motorcyclist

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    Well don't forget das Motorrad is partly Owned by BMW :-)

    Stability wise the Tenere is way better than the R12GS the GS gets quite vague above 170-180 where the Tenere stays stable like a Big-Boy

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    Even rider induced unrest at 190 settled down instatainious (could not go any faster because of surroundings and traffic.)

    And the engine gets tumbs up in the test, but no points for it in the standings verry weird, also verry weird the 22 seconds to get to 200km/h

    that would relate to a 85 HP bike like my own r11GS, i think they "quite by accident" had traction control on max, and engine mapping on Toutring :-)

    In das Mopped they really tested the difference in all gears quite remarkable how the ECU cuts power in lower gears and in T.

    In 1st and T modus only 60 HP reach the rear wheel (78 in s)
    In 2nd and T modus only 72 HP reach the rear wheel (90 in s)
    In 3rd and T modus only 79 HP reach the rear wheel (98 in s)
    In 4th and T modus only 83 HP reach the rear wheel (101 in s)
    In 5th and T modus only 101 HP reach the rear wheel (101 in s)
    In 6th and T modus only 102 HP reach the rear wheel (102 in s)

    Would be nice if some magazine did this test *withoout* TC on...

    0-180 according to das Mopped went in 13,6 sec in S-modus, so i suspect Das Motorrad did teh test in T with TC on Full, how could it otherwise be possible it would take almost 10 seconds from 180 to 200 !?!

    The Tenere was quite astonishing fast on 190 in my own testcase for its 267 + 95 laden weight (S-modus TC off) and still verry easy to corner at that speed, and stable in the bumpy corners, even the speedbumps in the corners of the Waaldijk didn't bother him (was not at that speed though ;-)
  9. Two Plugs

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    @ R3B,

    I am aware of that fact. But that doesn't take away the fact that I found the S10 very nervous with strong head- and cross winds. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:eek:ffice:eek:ffice" /><o:p></o:p>
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    Very annoying aspect to an very well thought over bike!<o:p></o:p>
    And yes, I'm still very enthusiast about the S10. <o:p></o:p>
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    Just curious what it will do with many miles on the ODO. <o:p></o:p>
  10. Sp!ke

    Sp!ke Adventurer

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    I think his review sucks. It is wrong on many points including that one.
  11. R3B

    R3B Lazy Motorcyclist

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    Could it be you had a bke with a half empty front tire, because we rode on a verry windy day, but i did not have any trouble wit nervousness with side winds.

    I hope they did not "copy" the quality spreading from the GS in that aspect :-)
  12. Wasp

    Wasp Supa10 pilot

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    I was quoted $AU34,000 for the full house GSA... included tyre pressure alarm:lol3 - Fark that!!! And I dont care much for ESA.. If it turns out to be as much of a worry as BMW final drives then all owners will be on tender hooks once they have a few K's up.

    As reported a couple of days ago, I did order my Super Tenere and will be picking it up tomorrow some time..
    I ordered the full whammy except for the engine protection bars and the aux lights. I will be manufacturing a set of bars and using VisionX lights (4 of the little buggers) as soon as I get the bike.

    I included:
    The top and side pannier boxes,
    Pannier box inserts,
    The ally bash plate,
    The headlight protector,
    Tank protector pad,
    Tank bag,
    Led indicator upgrade,
    Side wind deflectors,
    Heated grips,
    (I will probably edit this list again as I remember other stuff)

    I will have to wait a couple of days for the luggage and some other accessories to arrive so I will report as soon as I get a chance.

    Ohh, and although it comes with the Bridgestone battlewings??? I will be putting those in storage (perhaps for an across Aus venture) and immediately replacing them with Metzeler Karoo T's... I will report on the feel of them as well.

    Stay tuned.

    Greg.

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  13. R3B

    R3B Lazy Motorcyclist

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    Update your status, your now a actual S10 pilot, although i can understand your riding all day long now, and we will not hear from you the coming week :-)


    But post your piccers in the other thread, i like foto's with fountains of soft sand (because i miself have troubles with soft sand :-)
  14. hookeniggy

    hookeniggy Been here awhile

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    Agree on previous posts about the GSA

    Wasn't really impressed with either engine, straightline stability nor comfort, however the fact that i liked was the ease of scooterlike slipping through traffic with a heavy lump of bike like that, which i thought is where this bike really shines, what i probably think this bike's also thanks its popularity to, go to any European, Urban or Metropolitan jungle, Paris - Amsterdam -Madrid - Barcelona no matter where you go there's GS(A) 's scattered all over those places and , its probably built with the urban jungle in mind
  15. slipknot

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    And you can determine aerodynamics by looking?:poser
  16. GB

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    :eyes Metal Mule does excellent work... pics please!

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  17. hookeniggy

    hookeniggy Been here awhile

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    Come to think of it, these are exactly the same type of places that score really high in terms of High dollar SUV density, Humvee-Escalade-Defender..
  18. Attico

    Attico Wrong way 'round

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    I choose to ignore your reality and substitute my own.

  19. vander

    vander full-time dreamer

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    Interesting test of the Super from the guys of motoblog.

    Good point in pt.2 is what he explains about the ABS:

    1-put the bike on the central stand
    2-engine on
    3-put first gear
    4-accelerate al little bit
    --> the abs warning light will blink --> the bike is detecting an excessive difference in speed between front and rear wheel spin and interprets it as possible malfunction in the abs sensor. To avoid breakdowns it simply turns off the ABS for the back wheel, so you now have the bike with usefull front ABS and usefull rear blockable wheel.

    What Idon't know is how he activates the ABS again. Maybe just turn the bike off then on and everything works again? (but you also have to repeat the process if you doesn't want the ABS)

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  20. GrahamD

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    1) So what happened to.. "apply the rear brake first"?
    2) He looks like he knows how to handle a bike off road. What's the rest of it about? Review or just informational?
    Cheers
    Graham