The Yamaha Super Tenere XT1200Z Big Thread

Discussion in 'Land of the Rising Sun: ADV Bikes from Japan' started by mr moto, Feb 9, 2008.

  1. BobLoblaw

    BobLoblaw Comfortably Numb

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    Here it is http://www.fastbikesmag.com/files/2011/02/Longest-Day.pdf

    These guys did not like the Super T
  2. GrahamD

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    I can see they thoroughly tested the ABS off road. Does off road mean off the freeway to the Brits?

    If that was all I was doing I wouldn't be looking at that kind of bike.

    And there you go. Not much point developing a bike with much off road in mind when an adventure to them is riding across a sheep paddock.

    95% of UK reviewers do pub crawls on back roads as well. They should take Sport Tourers next time. Much more sensible choice.

    Looks like you better go buy a Beemer. I would suggest the R1200RT for that kind of riding though. It would be a lot more applicable and comfortable in the wetter and colder days (most days). Seriously, The segment is wasted over there.

    This is why I was waiting for the South Africans to have a crack at this bike. They test them till they break something.

    As a reviewer once said. "Africa is not for Sissy's"

    Sorry but the amount of assumptions and lack of depth in this review for this segment is astounding.

    They don't seem to be aware of some problems either..BMW..
    So basically what they really want is a sports oriented bike, that is dressed in the latest trendy clothes. BMW have been touring bikes for years and know how to do it. All they did with the GS is jack it up and remove the plastic. IE its an R65 grown up. It still has the heavy ass back end and the clunky box. (character).
    See, this is what is missing from the Jap bikes. Character.



    Cheers
    Graham
  3. Wasp

    Wasp Supa10 pilot

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    Seriously guys?[​IMG] [​IMG]

    I read no further than the first few lines of this report, and then saw the road tires used as a "control".
    Oddly, but perhaps not surprisingly, there are no off-road pics in the test yet there are comments on how they believe the bikes would fair off-road?[​IMG]
    This was enough to convince me that there was nothing to be gained by reading further.

    In typical male fashion I glanced over the pictures to note that the BMWGSA was reported as (UK Pounds) $12980 while the S10 was (UK Pounds) $13499... Really? - Boxes and all?
    If that's the case then I am surprised anyone would buy an S10 in the U.K - Shame on you Yamaha U.K

    The icing on the credibility cake can be seen below when you look at the 0-120mph time for the BMW listed at 24.1seconds, yet the standing mile takes 35.3seconds to achieve the same 120mph... Am I missing something here?

    [​IMG]

    To all the guys anxiously waiting on the arrival of their machines, don't place too much (read any) truth in what you see in these reviews.... Just enjoy the pictures [​IMG]

    Greg.
  4. GrahamD

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    You're missing the 0.3mph. They must have waited 11.2 seconds for a tail wind.

    The prices for the GSA and GS are not hugely different in the UK, (unlike Oz) but I have a feeling that the boxes in the review would have pushed the price to a similar level to the S10. They are not BMW boxes.

    Maybe they should have used control boxes as well. Maybe YAMAHA should play more of the "options" game. Advertise a price with nothing added and then "Accessorize darlings".

    I think YAMAHA should do a few things for the Euro market. (A special Euro Model)

    Get the R1 guys to give it work over so that it is as nervous as hell in the steering (quick), warm up the engine (+25HP) and make the chassis thin and light (Won't cope with a wash board rough stuff, 95% of people won't find out anyway and are obsessed with weight) put the old tech ABS system in with a switch, because it is becoming bleeding obvious that no-one wants to believe it is a better system and would never dare to try it out.

    And that should just about do it, apart from a few bits of gravel in the gearbox and some lead weights in the swing arm to give it some "character"
  5. MotorcopBBQ

    MotorcopBBQ Adventurer

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    Like most of you one this thread, I have been paying at lot of attention to everything that is put out there about this bike. The fastbike article... A Joke. Probably hosted by BMW UK.
    I do have a couple of questions to the S10 owners.

    1. Have you had any mechanical issues at all. If so what was it; did you fix it yourself of take it to a yamaha dealer. Also, how easy is it to work on the bike.

    2. What is the S10 like in bad weather. How does the tracsion control work in dry to very wet conditions. I looked on the internet and only found 1 video of a S10 going around a race track.
  6. GrahamD

    GrahamD Long timer

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    While you are waiting look at this thread at the top of the beast section..
    http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14303522&postcount=1

    And look under the heading Gnarliness Ability. There are few vids and pics in there.

    Cheers
    Graham
  7. SuperCruise

    SuperCruise Been here awhile

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    I've had one mechanical, actually electrical, issue twice. Start bike up, head off down the road, indicate to turn - nothing. Turn bike off and back on, indicators now working. Weird. It's been about 3 months between occurances which means I haven't felt it a big enough issue to bother doing anything about.

    With the ease in which the tank is accessible to be able to swing up and out of the way, self-maintenance is very easy to achieve. The centrestand is a godsend for keeping the bike upright for such maintenance and I haven't needed to use a bike jack yet.

    In wet weather, this is the best bike I've ever ridden. The sheer weight of the bike means that traction control only does its stuff if you are being really agressive - in T mode I've yet to get TCS to fire in the wet. The ABS is magnificent and that does fire in the wet if you brake hard. It's a pity I can't turn it off so I can experience skidding while braking so I guess I'll just have to put up with stopping on a dime in any condition: dry, wet or dirt (VTIC). And in gusty wind, again the weight of the bike keeps lane drift to a minimum.
  8. Robbo60

    Robbo60 Looking 4 Adventure

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    1. No mechanical issues, there is some airbox internal mods that I assume are now standard. Mine came with the foam pods and the paper element. The dealer is suppose to fit the pods. There was a recall on the rack, now fixed no issues, all new ones would be fixed I'm sure.
    2. Fantastic, really really fantastic. With Greg's adjustable screen mount onboard it is probably the best bike I have ever ridden in foul weather. It is fast and it is secure. The brakes work without the need to dry them before the next bend, the protection from the elements is great, the vision is great, the TC just works sort of unnoticed, wet or dry. I,ve only ever noticed the TC light come on in the dirt, on the bitumen if I'm going fast enough to engage the TC I am far too occupied to look at the instruments.
    Some of my riding buddies only ride sport bikes and they are successful A grade road racers and one a past NSW flat track champion, well they watch me disappear in the wet, the wetter the gnarlier the windier the greater the advantage. However I do love it when its wet.

    You will not be dissapointed in this bike, Fast Bikes must be a bunch of clowns. A couple of my riding buddies are journos, a couple can ride very well and write too, some can write but can they ride?, um no not really.......
    Even fewer can also properly critique.
    The best thing about british writing is the humour, prob best to leave it at that.

  9. hayfarmer

    hayfarmer Been here awhile

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    Just to get back to fuel figures for a moment. I agree with SuperCruise.

    I just did a trip on my S10 (with 8000 ks) from nth NSW to the Blue Mountains with loaded Givi panniers and sat on about 115 on h/way and 130 on back roads. I travelled down through the Bylong valley to Lithgow



    then Springwood.(NSW riders will know the route). I retuned via the Putty road and the N>E Highway.

    So I had H/way, backroads and twisties.

    I averaged 4.8 lts/100 klms for the 1000 klms. The readout showed 4.6 lts/100.

    I could average 4.1 on my wee strom, but for the better ride the S10 is worth the extra fuel.


    I have no worries getting 400 klms from a tank.

    Brian
  10. Paulvt1

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    Cheers for the feedback. Looks like 220 miles before you even have to think about juice at fair speeds. No word on the white ones yet. Need to have a test ride soon.
    As for all the press - riding a bike for a day or so is no evaluation of how a bike is to live with. My VFR12 was slaughtered by the media. 12 months on - no issues. Fill with fuel and let rip. Repeat.
    The MTS and the GS are the media darlings, but i get the impression the S10 will be a hassle free mile muncher in the same vein as my bike.
  11. advNZer?

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    i think you are misreading the units...they are talking kilometres....
  12. warnabrother

    warnabrother .. if you see the Rozzers

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    LOL.. yes.. that day at Phillip Island sure did empty the tank quickly.. but then I did have it absolutely pinned down the main straight looking for 7th gear :evil..

    But on a recent trip through Hotham, Bright etc on road and giving it beans.. I was constantly getting over 200miles to a tank.. easy.. and that is all 3rd and 4th full throttle corner exits for many 100's of miles :evil:evil
  13. Robbo60

    Robbo60 Looking 4 Adventure

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    I think the numbers might be honest but I really think they are distorted by circumstance.
    I doubt the GS or the ST can even do 120 miles per hour, or if so only just. So it might take 24 seconds to reach 120 mph but the mile might actually take 35 seconds but the bike had reached 120 mph 11 seconds before the end of the mile....... can this math work?
    120 mph = 0.03 mpsecond, 11 seconds = 0.36 miles so it may have reached 120 mph after 0.63 miles....or about 1 kilometer.
    The point is so much in print is poorly presented or explained. (like this of mine.....)
    Perhaps they should have used 0-110 mph or 0-100 mph.
    Having ridden both my ST and a GSA across a very fast run south of Omeo and swapping bikes with the very fast rider of the GSA I can attest that there was no significant power advantage to either of the two. Top end stuff is NOT their design brief. He really liked the ST and I thought the GSA was a lot of fun too. I think the ST is easier and more neutral but now I'm talking handling.
    Cheers

  14. warnabrother

    warnabrother .. if you see the Rozzers

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    I don't believe that top speed for a second.. I've had mine over 200km/h more than a few times down Gardner Straight at Phillip Island.. my speedo was covered, but I've ridden around there more than enough times to know what my mates on R1's and CBR600's are doing down the straigh when they pass me..
  15. GrahamD

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    You wait, after they have been discontinued they will call them "much under appreciated" or some such term. It seems to happen a lot.

    Cheers
    Graham
  16. SteveRed

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    Just a quick note that the PP16-Mk3 that fits all the previous model XT660/750 bikes does not fit the Xt1200 Super Tenere. The pin size is only 8mm and not 10mm like the Xt660.

    Pivot has a bush kit to fix the problem for anyone who has fitted the PP16 pegz (In Australia) and will send them out on request. Or if you are considering a set, ask for the PP55-Mk3 pegz instead.

    Another option of course would be to drill out the peg bracket to 10mm and fit pins off the XT660z. Why the f@ck Yamahaha puts an 8mm pin on the big bike and 10mm pins on the small bike is beyond me. :huh

    Wolfy
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    SteveRed Adventure Mojo

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    I might be one of the few ADV junkies out there with an R1200GS, an XT1200 and the new Ducati Multistrada in his/her fleet. For me the best road bike I have ever ridden is the Multistrada hands down. It has perfect position and the kick arse 1198 engine with 150hp.

    The XT1200 is IMO like the bastard child of a KTM990 and a n R1200GS. More fun than the GS and who gives a shit if it is a second slower in a straight line 0-60? If I had to chose a bike to ride around Australia it would be the XT1200 every day of the week.

    The GS is a stable bike. Predictable and I simply would rather be on the Yamaha or the Ducati most of the time.

    Cheers
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    Brendan J ONE HACK AT A TIME

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  19. DockingPilot

    DockingPilot Hooked Up and Hard Over

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    I have found that in the U.S. if you can get 225 -250 mile fuel range, you can pretty much adventure tour just about anywhere and not run out. John Pitts and I have done some big stretches like the "Big Empty" in Wyoming and the Pony Express across Utah. If you can make 250 miles, you'll make it. Just, but you'll ride her in. So if the S10 can do this, I'm very happy.
  20. Ze_zaskar

    Ze_zaskar Been here awhile

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    MPG? I get consistently 5.2l/100km with sidecases, sometimes pillion, 120km/h highway speeds. some city trafic and worrie free throttle. Can easly drop it to 4.5l/100km with less throtle and closer to 100km/h speeds. Average 6l/100km with 150/160km/h speeds.

    About the bad review, I'm not surprised. Euro testers have an huge tendency to be complete morons, they review all bikes the same way, with no segment context. Just check their score tables, the only time they change them is when testing a race enduro bike. I've seen comparatives between tourers/sport-tourers and big dual sports where the tourer wins because of the "greater high speed cornering and behavior". South African and Australian testers rule.

    Interesting that when tested agaisnt the competition as a sport tourer the S10 consistently loses, but when tested as a big bore dual sport it consistently wins. I chose it as a dual sport, so.... :evil