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Discussion in 'Land of the Rising Sun: ADV Bikes from Japan' started by mr moto, Feb 9, 2008.
Sounds promising. :)
I'll visit a Yamaha dealer on next Saturday. Let's see the beast.
I just looked up your loacation. Just outside Budapest.
I was there in April. What a beautiful, clean and friendly place. Everyone should visit it.
Here are a lot of hills & curves. The environment is also nice. Somewhere the roads are crappy, but this is central-east Europe
If someone lurking around this area let me know, I will show nice places.
I also visited last October and found it to be very nice. The company that I work for opened a factory last summer in Székesfehérvár. If they send me back I will have to look you up. Are there any places that rent motorcycles around Budapest?
(sorry to get off topic)
My boss is US citizen but lives in Székesfehérvár and works in Budapest, nice area as well. There are many multi companies who opened factories or HQs.
Yepp, there are many, but I recommend a motorcycle shop/Honda dealership who offers motorcycle rent. The cost is 56 EUR/day + 745 EUR deposit which will be given back at the end of the rent.
This is for Honda XL700V Transalp
So, here you are the panniers I've talk about some post ago just mounted today on my Supetenere.
I hope the picture can explain how perfect are them, 3mm alu depth
, you can use the original Yamaha rack , cavity for passenger handles ,left pannier with cavity for the muffler, as showed in the picture an helmet can be put in every pannier left or right, 98 cm (38,61 inch) OVERALL space.
Now some stickers to let them more aggressive
They are tailored on ST 1200 , better than these doesn't exist. You can remove them with 3 screws.
As I told the producer is an Italian Yamaha Dealer, with private message I'll give you the mail.
Hay grZack, I have a 32 inch inseam so I don't share your problem of short inseam. But a pal has a 29 inch inseam & he rides a dirt bike that has a 37" seat height. Has no trouble. He also has a BMW GSA. He's a great rider in the toughest stuff. I noticed a huge difference between regular riding boots (and running shoes,even) vs my old mountaineering boots & hiking boots. The latter have thick soles & make a huge difference in foot contact on the ground. Oder Eaters(stink pads) & insoles would help even more. As for your english, I'm impressed. You should see my Hungarian ! Nonexistent. Good luck.
you lucky man... I am jelous. I couldn't say I am a great rider (yet). I done only 20.000 kms/12500 miles on motorcycles so much more riding experience is definetly needed. 90% spent on city roads. My next boot will some kind of adventure type, those offers me thick soles which can be modified easily. I have seen an article where a girl said that she added two extra inches to her boot and she has 5 different Kawasakies... Two inches seems a lot, but two centimeters (0,78 inch) should be enough. I already ebayed insoles which provides 1,37 inches but need to test them in a bigger boot. Thanks for the tips.
I won't speak like a native English till I locate in this country.
Sorry for the offtopic, forgive me my personal problems.
Hay Zack, you are NOT off-topic. A big consideration to lots of prospective big dual sport owners is the same as your's---their inseam vs seat height of these tall bikes. So much so BMW makes a low seat (additional cost,of course) for the GS1200. You are most relevent to this topic. And your concern about learning to ride,especially dirt,is another widely held concern among prospective dual sporters--a wise one. Nice panniers a couple posts up.....but they are WIDE. Wouldn't want to scrape rocks with'em.
Looks like they have them mounted nice and close to the bike. 38" doesn't seem too bad in comparison to other bag setups.
They give the illusion of being wider than normal, but the measurement says otherwise. Lots of storage space down low and he made them symetrical from centerline. Good looking pannier set! They look like they belong on the bike..especially from the top view. I also like the fact that they use the OEM mounts...no monkeying around with brackets .
Little ride report from the YAMAHA Power trip day at the Equestrian centre Sydney NSW.
OK, I finally gave in and signed up for a ride on the S10.
Executive summary. Great bike, but everyone knew that already.
Strom DL1000 to the event (my bike)
TDM900 (30 minutes)
XJ6N (30 minutes)
Strom DL1000 from the event (my bike).
For the DL1000 owners. (comparisons are with my bike, standard motor, all nicely TB synched etc. Staintunes. Barkbusters).
On the way down I was thinking to myself that the Strom was running really smoothly this morning, must be worried.
Was wearing summer gloves for better Feel. Hands were a bit nippy when I got there.
First group was organised for a brief, general course, riding rules, legals etc etc.
The VMAX riders were sent over for a special brief and warnings RE cold air, cold pavement, cold tires and riding an expensive torque monster.
179cm 83cm inseam with boots.
Leather pants without beak.
1047.7 (or 10447). Anyway - run in
Bit scruffy on the rack and the seat otherwise no crash signs.
Tires good nick.
TC mode 2. Check.
D mode - Sport.
Windscreen was in High position.
Seat was set low I think.
Standing still. Both feet flat on the ground.
Felt lighter than the Strom standing still rocking side to side. Good angles up to about 25 Degress then the weight starts to appear which was easy to catch.
Air temperature was 7 Deg C.
So off we went.
Initial impressions. Easy.
Differences from the Strom..
Gearbox - Beautiful.
Engine - Smoother all over. Familiar sound and feeling but smoother.
Suspension Harder (more on that later)
Handling - No tip in, so I had to get used to not countering the steering in slow turns initially.
Brakes - had a servo feel, like a beemer initially, were very linear. Didn't have to think about them at all.
First section out on the road was just follow the (legal speed limited to 80km/h) leader. Had to keep backing off as I was catching people faster than I thought. First turn was at the nearest Servo. The XJ6N rider went down a few bikes in front of me. Much panic and brake lights. The S10 just washed off speed. No drama there. The R6 behind me manges some quick avoiding manourvers luckily.
XJ6 was extracted from the road and taken to the servo and off we went on some bumpy twisty back roads. I noticed a bit more through the bike on small undulations in the road than the Strom, like patches in the road surface. The steering was already natural for me. I backed off a bit and floored the bike in top at around 1200RPM. The engine pulses were noticable but it just went from there to 5K no fuss no drama. Then I had to brake hard to avoid running up the leaders back end. No fuss no Drama.
Some good corners came up with undulations and bumps. Just ate em up. So I went looking for potholes. This is where the suspension shines over the Strom. It just goes over them. I thought I had missed initially but I hit a good 1 footer and it just didn't notice. Big tick there. The Steering at speed is a bit slower than the Strom but the bike is more stable. I deliberately aimed for broken up patches mid corner, with very little effect other than the bike telling me I just hit some potholes, rocks bumps mid corner.
Soon we were at the freeway entry for a bit of high speed stuff. The gearbox works that well that changing gear is just a thought and it just happens, if you could even be bothered. At the freeway entry I just wound on the throttle and it just went. Straight up to 160. Moved over to a free lane, checked the mirrors and hauled on the anchors. The speed just washed of without effort, so while the initial impression was somewhat Stromish/BMWish in it's feel, they are powerful little f%^&kers. Well weighted. Not too sharp, just enough effort.
Didn't notice any buffeting and following cars had no effects that I noticed from turbulence from other vehicles other than the air around me shifting. Very stable at speed.
After that all too brief ride it was back onto the main road. Did some off/on throttle looking for drive line snatch and not anything to report there either.
So my summary. The kind of bike that will is well sorted, nothing stands out as needing special attention. If you want a bike that challenges you to get the revs just right and the right gear just the right amount of brake and the right road with the right temperature it's not for you.
It is a thinking bike, You just think about doing things and it just does it. No fuss, drama, surprises, annoyances.
So with that out of the way I waited for some "unloved" bikes. If you waited around you could ride a bike that had no takers.
Next bike was the TDM900. I was interested in this bike for the engine, wondering what a 900cc version of that 1200 would be like.
Short story. Great motor. Smooth powerful enough and a little gem, like the 650cc Suzuki V-twin. Gearbox was not as smooth as the S10. The brakes were digital at the front. They were hard to get used to because the initial bite, was way too over the top. They worked at speed no better than the S10 but were a bit of a pain to get used to. The bike is not a bad thing but it is not as seamless as the S10. It just appears to be a bit disjointed. Not an easy bike to get used to straight away, but the engine is a beauty. Highlight of that ride was an S10 rider who decided to pass on the grass past a few scooters. I thought it was another accident about to happen but he was just sneaking a little off road experience. Bit stupid but the bike just did it. Luckily.
Next "unloved" bike was the FJ6N. The same one that went down. This is a well sorted little beasty in a rev me harder frenetic kind of way. It's a fun thing that is very entertaining in a "I feel like I am really going gang busters here when I am not really" way. This was bought home constantly by the S10 that was following me. I gave the thing lot's of curry, doing my best SKWID impersonation, revving the crap out of it, RRRacing around corners, juddering away on the rough stuff and every time I looked in the rear view mirror there was the S10, the rider checking out the scenery with that "have you shifted out of second yet" look on his face. Could have been reading his email as far as I could tell. On the freeway entry I gave the FJ6 huge stick and the S10 idled passed without even noticing how god damn fast I was. DAMN IT!
After all that it was back on the Strom for the trip home. It's always more telling going back than forward..
OH DEAR. :huh
Umm this bike has sooooo much character. umm... yeah.
I will leave it at that.
Most unloved bikes for the day, Cruisers.
Most loved bike. Hard to tell but the VMAX seemed like it was in most demand.
Bikes always out. Most of them except scooters and cruisers.
Some pics from the day..
Nice and quiet early on.
Bikes all ready
Fiddling with the settings...
My brother in law..Too much grunt is never enough..
Just before I left.. Getting really busy..
And some things I forgot.
A big thanks to YAMAHA for doing this. It was a great experience.
Secondly, all the bikes I rode had absolutely impeccable fueling.
My impression of YAMAHA motors is standing very High right now, although admittedly I have never been on a Suzukasakonda ride day but compared to a couple of other well known brands, well done YAMAHA.
You're Right, in Italy THE LAW , says you can't have an overall space more than 100 cm (39,4 inch) , and Touratech and trax and others take more than 100 cm (39,4 inch) without having the capacity of these panniers, cause they loose space mounting large and NON specific rack. These are studied on OEM mountings Supertenere 1200 and with 98 cm (38,6 inch) you can have big and looking fantastic panniers.
The quality has no comparision with the standard panniers you can find on the market, and an Italian Guys (DAVIDE BIGA, you can find him on Internet) is doing a world travel tour with the supertenere and these panniers
Like Sp!ke said, "The XT1200Z, the thinking mans BMW"
Glad you enjoyed it.
I think this bike will become a classic. When we get over the Ewan and Charlie factor and realise that BMWs propaganda machine is just that, it will take off.
Great ride report Graham.
Many who dont know the bike talk about its percieved problems (weight, power, etc,) but, you have to sit on the S10 and take it for a ride to appreciate the many great assets rolled into one bike.
I have 15000 ks up now and it just keeps getting better.
good report graham
i was there too, i think we may have even talked after your s10 ride
the 2 vmax's were definately the most booked, and there were a few that missed out and came hoping that they might still get a ride but didnt
but the 2 s10's didnt spend any time left behind either, and i certainly didnt hear a bad word about the s10 (not that that suprises me)
interesting that there was a very wide range of ages interested in the s10
one young guy seemed mildly impressed with the mini tenere but raved about the s10 (although it was all tarmac riding today)
i may be biased cos i bought one, but ive ridden pretty much all of the bikes that were there today (tho maybe not the very latest model in each), except the vmax, and i still would have picked a go on the s10 if i was allowed
You are right the H&B has not only the Sturdiest Ski, it's mounting points at the back are bolted onto the *frame* instead of the brittle alu of the engine, so any "clipping" force is taken in by a massive strut to the frame.
The Metal Boot is trangulated so my geuss is its even sturdy enoung to rotate the bike on, when you need to change direction on a track that has not got enough safe space to mak a u turn or stitch change.
Nice writeup. You and I had similar weekends. I also rode my DL1000 to a Yamaha demo and rode the S10 (and a Vmax). I had a fresh TBS on my Vee and thought it was running so smooth on the way there. However, after riding the S10 (twice) and getting back on my Vee it felt sluggish and noticeably rougher than the S10. I have my Vee setup to be pretty quick, but it's no match for the Tenere.
The Vmax was a blast. The only briefing I received was the Yamaha rep repeatedly telling me to respect the power. He also mentioned that it is common for people to report a slipping clutch. He said the clutch is fine, it's just people are spinning the rear tire. I have to say bike really puts a grin on your face.
Wait Graham you mean you don't have a XT1200Z and yet every other post on here is from you???
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Thanks for the excellent ride report.