The Yamaha Super Tenere XT1200Z Big Thread

Discussion in 'Land of the Rising Sun: ADV Bikes from Japan' started by mr moto, Feb 9, 2008.

  1. combo

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    Yep!

    I love the way mine runs in the lower gears too and that PITA stumble on take off went away. That alone is worth doing the mod. It was 10 times worse taking off 2-up without it and could get you in a bind depending on the condition of your takeoff. Such as a steep up hill with a sharp turn right or left :eek1

    I also have a switch on mine and works well. You can tell with the switch in the upper gears holding a constant speed and turn the mod off the engine picks up about a 100 or so RPM's. At least mine does.

    Has anyone felt this too?
  2. swakop_toe

    swakop_toe Adventurer

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    Well,
    Big Blue went for her 20,000km service at LINEX Yamaha in Randburg (for the ZAR citizens on the forum)

    From my first phone call to book her a slot, I was impressed with Wayne's (the workshop manager) detailed
    explanation of all the standard items, checks, adjustments and work to be carried out.

    Anywhow, the following was replaced:
    Front Tyre: Metzeler Tourance EXP
    Rear Tyre: Metzeler Tourance EXP M
    Rear Disk pads
    Brake Fluid
    Oil:
    Engine: 10W40 YAMALUBE
    Diff: YAMALUBE
    The 4 sparkplugs (NGK)
    The Oil filter (Yamaha)

    Adjustments:
    i) Spring Preload was set harder (#3) according to my weight (82kg)
    ii) Front Shocks was also adjusted harder
    iii) Handlebars set backwards (towards me) about an inch at the bar ends
    and clutch and brake levers, handguards and mirrors adjusts accordingly.
    iv) Steering bearings was removed, cleaned and regreased. Nuts torqued.
    v) Throttle adjusted to remove as much "free play" as possible.
    vi) K&N Filter cleaned & lubricated.
    And then all the points 1 - 29 of the Owners Manaul Check List.

    Oh! For the Rumbux Crashbar owners. When mine was fitted, the original cowling protectors (pg. 65, ref.# 62 on the parts catalogue), was never put back on. On the right cowling it's not a majour issue, but the left cowling protector also serves as a stabilizing bracket for the radiator on the left cowling. Make sure you at least fit the left one.
    Quickly refitted both of mine too.

    So, what do I think getting Big Blue back? Awesome! :eek1
    Valve noise is, well, not noticable anymore. Before is was clattering away.
    The Low Oil level warning light no longer appears in the mornings. I'm sure the CASTROL 20W50
    that was used in the 15,000km express service was the culprit.
    The new tyres now just WANT to corner!:evil
    The handle bar adjustment will take some time getting used to, but I LIKE it! :clap

    The whole setup now simply inspires so much more confidence.
    Recall, I last rode a bike 18years ago, scramblers, ordered my S10 over the interweb and off I went.

    I have now rediscovered the Yamaha XT1200Z Super Tenere, the one everyone who is raving about it, raves about.
    I finaly feel like I belong on her, that she wants me on her, you know? Like that feeling you get when you ride a
    horse that you are perfectly tuned into and vice versa.

    That my friends, is what makes a great bike and an awesome ride.:deal, IMHO.

    A massive THANK YOU to Wayne and the mechs at LINEX! Fantastic service, honest opinions, personal experience (Wayne himslef ownes a white S10), attention to detail and a wealth of information! A job well done, I'm telling everyone!

    Happy Days All!
  3. Ogre_fl

    Ogre_fl Long timer

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    Y.E.S. or no?

    Is the Yamaha Extended Service on the S10 worth it?
  4. Cykel

    Cykel I'm Adventurer?

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    You can find excellent pricing on the YES plans, so most people consider it to be pretty cheap insurance. It seems like Yamaha stands behind the warranty pretty well also (no personal experience, though).

    If you think you might sell the bike in the next 5 years, then it's absolutely worth it. Otherwise up to you, your willingness to wrench, and your skills as a home mechanic.
  5. bloodline

    bloodline Been here awhile

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  6. Dallara

    Dallara Creaks When Walks...

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    How much is piece of mind and added resale value worth? :dunno

    With the going price for 4 extra years of OEM factory warranty, with no mileage limitations, going for what amounts to about $100 a year, for me it was a no-brainer. I doubt very seriously anything major is going to go wrong on my Super Tenere, but even the replacement of something like fork seals these days is going to run more than $100, so all you need is one minor issue like that a year and the Y.E.S. warranty has paid for itself.

    And though I have no foreseeable plans to sell my Super Tenere in the next 4 years, if I had to it would sure be easier to sell since I can say "It still has X-amount of factory Yamaha warranty remaining..."

    Just my two centavos... YMMV.

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  7. MoBill

    MoBill Smiles when says dat

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  8. RockyDS

    RockyDS Lost in the wilderness

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    I agree except wearable items like fork seals wouldn't be covered unless they were actually faulty.
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  10. Dallara

    Dallara Creaks When Walks...

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    Except that everybody I've ever known who has had a fork seal go leaking during the warranty period has had them replaced free-of-charge - on several brands. Even some on these forums with Super Tenere's have had their fork seals replaced under warranty already.

    I know when I was a Honda dealer we always replaced leaking fork seals under warranty, unless it was an MX bike that didn't have a warranty, etc.

    Just my experience... YMMV, I guess on how customer service oriented your dealer is.

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  11. pluric

    pluric Gimpy Adventurer

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    Yamaha replaced mine. I asked for both to be done so the same oil would be in the forks.
    I even said I would pay for the other side. They forgot and only did the leaking one.

    Just as well. Almost looks like they used a pipe wrench to get the cap off.:bluduh
  12. RockyDS

    RockyDS Lost in the wilderness

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    Thanks for that. Good to know.
  13. Dallara

    Dallara Creaks When Walks...

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    Just to further address the seal issue...

    Fork seals are *NOT* considered "wearable items" when it comes to warranty coverage, any more than any engine seals, final drive seals, wheel bearing seals, etc. would be. Any oil seal should, in theory, at least last the life of the vehicle's warranty period, fork seal or otherwise. And Yamaha apparently is pretty confident of their various seals to offer up to 4 extra years of warranty coverage (a total of 5 years with the initial warranty period) with *NO* mileage limit. :wink:

    But then again, let's not forget that *ANY* extended warranty - even when it is the original manufacturer's extension of the original vehicle warranty - is no more than a simple insurance policy. They run their projected failure tables, figure out what their projected total outlay for warranty repairs over the scheduled period, take that figure and divide it by projected number of units sold, and then come up with a net cost figure they can live, take a profit margin on that, and sell the "extended warranty"... Simple as that. Yamaha is simply *betting* that the amount they take in for extra extended warranty coverage will more than cover any repair costs they have to pay out to dealers for resolution of warranty claims.

    And believe me, there is also the same "bet" figured into the price you pay for the bike for that first year of warranty coverage, too. :evil

    And the best part for Yamaha is they get their *retail* price from the dealer on both the bikes and the extended warranty coverage Y.E.S packages sold. In other words, the poor dealer has to pay Yamaha whatever wants to charge, both for the unit and the additional warranty coverage packages... Your dealer doesn't get to haggle or bargain. Think about that the next time you try to grind the poor dealer down to the last nickel on something he has to get from the factory...

    The only person you are hurting is the dealer, and maybe yourself if the dealer can't maintain a decent profit margin and ends up going out of business. Yamaha has already gotten their *full retail* from the dealer in the form of the dealer cost he has to pay. :eek1

    Just food for thought...

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  14. RockyDS

    RockyDS Lost in the wilderness

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    Can't argue with that. Sounds like I was miss-informed about fork seals by the parts guy I spoke to. At least it prompted a healthy discussion and a better understanding all round. Thanks again.
  15. Mikef5000

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    Yeah but... how is this different from any other retail business? Doesn't every retailer pay a cost for an item, and then choose what to sell it for? Whether they choose to have a huge markup or not, or whether they choose to negotiate or not, none of this affects the cost they paid.

    I fail to see how haggling "only hurts the dealer", if they're getting 'hurt', they're doing it wrong. I mean, no matter how hard I try to grind a dealer, what they choose to sell it to me for, is just that, their choice. If they go out of business for not making enough profit margin, how is that anyone's fault but their own?

    All that being said, I'm not much of a negotiator. If I want something, I buy it. I'll call around (or search online) to find the best price, and I may even ask if they can do any better, but that's it. No grinding from me.
  16. Dallara

    Dallara Creaks When Walks...

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    Certainly true enough, Mikef5000...

    Perhaps I didn't say what I was trying to confer as eloquently as I could have, but a professional scribe I'm not. My real point is that all too often some folks *THINK* that when they grind a better deal out of the dealer they somehow are getting some kind of discount from the factory - when nothing could be further from the truth.

    The factory *ALWAYS* gets full-boat "retail" essentially. No price breaks, no haggling, no discounts (unless under a specific incentive or promotional program), no nothing. The factory sets the price and the dealer has to pay it, period. Then the factory will usually nationally advertise some sort of "Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price" which essentially fixes the ceiling of profit margin for the dealer, and hence any price "haggling" comes right out of of the dealer's bottom line - and doesn't affect the manufacturer at all.

    It's this way for bikes, parts, and extended warranty coverage. I just wanted people to know that no matter how much haggling, grinding, negotiating, etc. somebody does they're not getting Yamaha to lessen the price even one red cent... Only carving bucks out of the dealer's margin.

    And believe me, that margin is a whole lot *LESS* than most people think.

    Just FYI...

    Dallara



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  17. GrahamD

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    :hmmmmm

    I see this as a "what's fair" issue.

    I have seen may great local people, and by that I mean modest establishments, great backup, honest service etc go out because they can't compete on initial sales price with the "big box" Lexus driving guy with the marble floors 100Km away.

    Now I get to drive 25 - 100Km round trips for all kinds of things which frankly just makes my life harder.

    BUT I am not the kind of person that gets all misty eyed by a dude in a suit sitting in a marble clad office with a Lexus parked outside. All I see there is a lot of money spent on things other than service and backup.

    But at the same time, I expect value of some kind. Over the years I have given my money to people who back up my reasonable priced purchase and like Mike, I have done the homework and just ask what's the best you can do?

    I usually found a bit of a "Marble index" out there. Usually the more marble, the less the establishment is inclined to be genuine and tend to rely on the service department to charge for things that don't seem to have been done.

    Luckily for me the "local" YAMAHA place has no marble and work out of a modest establishment and are decent people, and efficient and honest.

    That index works every time. :lol3
  18. crazyjeeper

    crazyjeeper Been here awhile

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    I had noticed that the locals ride their ATVs in the road ditches around here and you end up with little offroad tracks. They looked like fun so I grabbed the gopro and headed down one on the Tenere.

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    Every time I ride this thing I am more amazed with how well it handles rough terrain. :clap

    Oh, and this is all the bike, I am far from a pro offroad rider, I have about 20 hours on a rented WR250F and that is it if you don't count graded gravel roads.
  19. Goldie05

    Goldie05 Fast George

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    I agree they should replace them under warranty but let me tell you my experience, as you know I traveled to Alaska but even before I got there, we attended the gathering in Whitehorse, Yukon of Teneres.
    We did some nice riding, I think you might have seen some of the pictures, there will be much more soon in my blog but on one of the rides in really muddy and nasty stuff both my fork seals started leaking.
    When I got back to Whitehorse, Yukon Yamaha told me they would not cover them under warranty because they are considered wearable items, they even told me they called Yamaha USA to see if they would cover them and according to them they WOULD NOT.
    Keep in mind I paid the $600 for the extended warranty and they still refused to cover them :huh I'm pretty pissed off.

    I really didn't abuse the bike, simply rode in muddy terrain, isn't that what the Super Tenere was designed for?? :huh

    I'm sure they covered Nick Sanders leaky seals but that's because they didn't want bad publicity :puke1

    Well, I have a blog and I'm sure Yamaha wouldn't like me to bash them for something as cheap as fork seals.....

    I will see what my dealer says when I get back to NJ.

    By the way, I tried to clean the seals with tape and a piece of plastic film and they stopped leaking but I'm going to have them checked because I don't know how much oil I lost

    I'm still in British Columbia.

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    Some of the roads in Alaska

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    Want mud :lol3:lol3

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    One more thing, I installed a set of Heidenau K60's before this trip and after 7000 miles the rear was gone, I had to make a detour to Calgary to have a new Heidenau installed, couldn't find a dealer anywhere else :huh
    Must have been the rough gravel and the kind of riding I was doing :D
    I'm sure the speeds, way above the speed limits, didn't help either :rofl

    I'm now in Sparwood, British Columbia for the night, camping, tomorrow I will do Glacier National Park and then head home :D
  20. Dallara

    Dallara Creaks When Walks...

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    That well and truly sucks, Goldie. Seriously sucks, big time. I'd be royally pissed, too! :dog

    If you run into another dealer that tells you something like the same story ask them if they would say the same thing if it were a rear shock seal that started leaking... Or a final drive seal... Or any other seal on the bike that keeps oil inside and dirt and the elements out. Then ask them for a copy of the complete warranty policies and conditions, and see if it says anything, anywhere about seals be exempt. Sure, an uncooperative dealer could *try* and claim that a seal was a "normal maintenance item", but then ask them exactly where in the service manual is the mileage or time schedule for the regular maintenance and replacement interval of a fork seal.

    If they try to hold your feet to some imaginary fire it sometimes helps to remind them that the only "normal maintenance items" and parts subject to "normal wear and tear" are those listed in the regular maintenance schedule pages, along with tires. If anything else fails prior to the end of the warranty period it is subject to warranty compensation.

    Again, though... As I have mentioned before, it's really up to the dealer. Either you get a bad one who is lazy and doesn't care a femto-whit about customers, or you find who is smart enough to know that his paycheck walks in and out the door on two feet, and will go to bat for the customer first and foremost. When I was a dealer I always tried to side with the customer. After all, the customer is the guy who paid me - not the factory. All the factory did was take money from me in one way or another. It's too bad that so many dealers forget that simple reality.

    A bigger one is that the customers in the world can easily exist without either each manufactuer or their dealers, but neither the manufacturers or the dealers can exist without the world's customers.

    Dallara



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