The Yamaha Super Tenere XT1200Z Big Thread

Discussion in 'Land of the Rising Sun: ADV Bikes from Japan' started by mr moto, Feb 9, 2008.

  1. GrahamD

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    I suggest you try both ABS systems. I don't have a clue how well the new BMW ABS will work, but the S10 works pretty well nearly everywhere for 98% of riders. The only thing I can say is I know the YAMAHA is good. I ASSUME BMW have later generation ABS in the new model. Even then it depends on how they set it up.

    The YAMAHA has the option of separating the linked system on the fly by using your rear brake before the front.

    As far as Servicing goes, you will never get a service needed nag screen on the YAMAHA. It's pretty much standard Japanese, It has easy access to electrical, filter, oil filter, It takes 2 minutes to "pull your pumpkin" if you want to inspect the shaft, Shaft oil changes are easy. The ABS can be disabled easily multiple ways, Pull a fuse, remove a sensor etc. The systems on the bike fail gracefully. You end up with a standard bike if traction control and ABS fail.

    Its built as tough as a brick shithouse. It is slightly better off road than the "last" BMW and I bit less "sharp" on road.

    It's a good thing. No excuses necessary for buying one. You don't really need to "split the bike in half" if some seals needed.

    Valve adjustments are easier to get to on the current BMW, but the YAMAHA is like the Strom. It may need some shim changes at some stage in its life.

    The paint on the BMW is nicer by a bit and there are some nice cosmetic touches. It's up to you to decide how much paint is worth, because it seems that below the paint lurks some concerns.

    The GS is not directly comparable to the S10 neither is the GSA. The S10 sits somewhere between the two. The GSA arena is really where the S10 competes. I don't think BMW intended for the GS to be the "long range adventure bike" it just ended up like that much like the V-STroms.

    The YAMAHA has now gone 3 years with pretty much no issues with anything major. There are some little niggles though but nothing too expensive. It's not going to be perfect like any bike. YAMAHA so far have been pretty good about warranty stuff as well but that will vary between "importers" but it seems most of them got the memo about not screwing customers.
  2. RonKZ650

    RonKZ650 Been here awhile

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    To me even if the ABS is best ever on a motorcycle (maybe it is, this is my first ABS motorcycle), I wish it wasn't quite so sensitive. I can be braking at 10mph and hit one speckle of sand on the road and feel the ABS kick in. Even with the clutch pulled in simply downshifting to first on a bone dry road many times just the clunk from second to first while braking I can feel the brakes release. I'm all for ABS in a panic brake, but really don't want or need it every day during normal braking. Maybe if it was more like the traction control and give the option of ABS-1 or ABS-2. I'd be happy with 2 for "limited" ABS. As it is now it's definately ABS-1, no lock, not even a smidgeon and anyone that says they can't feel it is in a different boat than I am. I can feel it several times a day even on dry roads. I can ride my big boat Goldwing without ABS and enjoy my everyday braking more, if braking can ever be considered enjoyable that is.:D
  3. Mikef5000

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    I agree with everything you said but this. Rear brake pads go much quicker on this bike than just about any other. This is very well documented here and on the S10 forum; with most reports saying 7000-12000 miles per set of rear pads (although there are definitely out-layers). Luckily they're cheap, and literally take 2 minutes to swap out.


    I've noticed this, but it doesn't bug me one bit. [​IMG] Doesn't hurt anything, doesn't cause any problems, doesn't matter to me.

    That being said, I do think we could simply have 3 modes:
    Touring = Heavy engine dampening for fuel economy, serious traction control, and serious ABS.
    Sport = Less engine dampening (like OEM sport mode), Less traction control (TC2), and less ABS (front wheel only?).
    OFF = No engine dampening (clutch switch mod), no traction control, and no ABS.

    I've never understood the need to have traction control separate from Sport and Touring mode, I thought they generally went hand in hand.
  4. wolftrax

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  5. pluric

    pluric Gimpy Adventurer

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    Speaking of, now that the whole oil thing has been covered, what brake pad preference does
    everybody have? Sintered, organic, semi metallic, kevlar organic....:ear
  6. TH

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    Stock?:D
  7. Mikef5000

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    I would have preferred stock, but I just bought whatever the dealership had on the shelf, which happened to be EBC HH Sintered pads. Talked them down to price matching the OEM's online price of $26 or there about.
  8. Dallara

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    I can only speak to my own experience, but both the front and rear pads on my lasted more than 21,000 miles... And both could have gone farther. I just swapped them because I was there, prepping for an upcoming 2,500+ mile trip.

    That said, I rarely, if ever, touch the rear brake pedal.






    I was so impressed with the performance, feel, and durability of the stock Yamaha pads that's what I went with. :thumb

    Dallara




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  9. simmons1

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    I am at 13K and it looks like I will need rear pads with in a couple thousand miles. Must be the linked thing as I rarely use the rear brake pedal. For example my old ZX11 had the original rear pads when I sold it with 80K on it.

    I have always had good luck with EBC HH pads and will probably try them. I know they are harder on the rotors but I like how they work and like how they last. Usually they are also a lot cheaper. However, I did find OEM pads on line at one place for $22 and change. I haven't checked the price of EBC's yet.
  10. pluric

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    Weird, after riding to Alaska not being able to use a rear brake, I don't use it much either.

    When I just changed out the rear wheel I didn't think the pads were bad at 9K. I thought I would
    look closer at the front tonight.

    I'm an online guy. The closest Yamaha dealer burned bridges with me years ago on my first FJR
    purchase. I even worked there for 8 years as a youngster.:bluduh Next closest is maybe 20 minutes away
    I just never seem to have a need to go there.

    So got on ebay and there are too many choices. So that's why the opinion question. I can find stock
    parts on another site. Maybe I'll just get out of the office and support the brick and mortar guys.

    Hence the confusion..

    http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odk...570.l1313&_nkw=Tenere+1200+brake+pad&_sacat=0
  11. Mudcat

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    How many times must I say it, I don’t like ABS on a MC and if I had a choice I would never have it again. :evil
    I have a 2005 R1200GS that I have been riding for the last 8 years. I would not still have the bike if I could not turn ABS off and ignore the linkage system on it.
    These are two things I dislike about the bike, ABS and linkage.
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    I like using the brakes on a MC, it is fun for me.
  12. Mikef5000

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    Then just pull the ABS fuse and trash it at the dealership; your biggest complaint is now completely eliminated!
  13. pluric

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    Do you take candy from babies too? The one thing mudcat could possibly have to bitch about
    and you take it away. Grinch.

    Oh wait, the throttle hiccup, nevermind.:wink:
  14. llamapacker

    llamapacker Mr. Conservative

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    28,000 miles and still on original brake pads, front and back are wearing about the same, should go another 8k easy maybe more.

    I use UBS almost all the time, tho I do add some rear to the front (UBS) when stopping quicker. ABS is superb on this bike and will be the standard to go by for me in the future on other bikes. Never found a need to disable, and I have been on about all you want to get into on and off road.

    The 2013 Multi 12 is also software linked to apply rear when you apply front brake. Looks like some type of linked brakes is coming for most all bikes.
  15. Mikef5000

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    Awww, too bad the ABS fuse isn't of the mini blade variety! Then you could pull it out of the ABS slot, and jam it into the clutch switch... and POW POW!
  16. GrahamD

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    OK Buy the bike, rip it out, bypass the whole thing, put the system aside and sell it in 10 years to fund your retirement.

    But really I've got to ask, why the whole anti ABS thing.

    Manufacturers are now making bikes with non switchable ABS because in general, they are required to.
    So don't get me wrong, I am only expressing MY opinion based on MY experience with MY bike.

    I don't care about "nanny states" or how any other bikes ABS works because they are all different. If I couldn't buy a bike without ABS, I would just treat the whole thing as a personalization (farkle) and go and get the thing permanently disabled. If I decided I hated it I would buy a bike with out it installed and save a few dollars.

    But in the end I saved big bucks by going for the YAMAHA and can't see any downsides. The bike works really well with or without ABS / UBS. It's just I don't ride enough to keep my skill levels up that high and haven't found a place where the ABS/UBS has caused me a problem. Not that I go looking for it.

    When I can I just ride and go down roads, whatever they may be. YMMV.

    Maybe a KTM would be more to your liking. It's a bit more raw and feral.

    I am not trying to convince you of anything really, just giving you MY opinion.
  17. Dallara

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    I feel your pain... That's the way I used to feel about ABS, and all my other bikes are ABS-free. For me it's really not a problem one way or the other. That said, the ABS on the Super Ténéré is about as close to having your cake and eating it, too - i.e. having ABS yet never really knowing you do for the most part.

    But unfortunately you better get used to ABS, or find a bike now without it you want to keep for the rest of your life. IIRC, the powers that be are about to mandate all street-legal bikes come standard with ABS in Europe, and it is looking like all the major manufacturers are going to be equipping all their bikes with ABS to stave off government regulations from telling them the best way to do it. After a certain point, due to no more than basic economies of scale, it'll be cheaper for them to simply make all their bikes with ABS standard. Then there is the liability issue... Once they start equipping large portions of their model line-ups with ABS then any model that doesn't have it becomes a potential lawsuit magnet.

    Point is, standard, across-the-board ABS is coming, like it or not. Thank goodness folks like Yamaha are making it pretty damn good now! :rofl





    And as above, linked brakes are coming, too... Whether we like it or not, driven as much by bureaucrats who think motorcycles should be more like cars, with one actuating point applying the brakes on all the wheels on the vehicle. IIRC, this is also in some of the European regulation proposals to make ABS standard on bikes. My recollection is that these proposed regulations will not allow switches to turn either system "off", either.

    Welcome to "1984", and "Big Brother" is going to "save you"... :lol3


    Regarding the pads, Llamapacker... my experience mirrors yours - i.e. the pads F&R wore at about the same rate, and though I changed them at 21,500 miles they could have gone quite a bit further.

    Dallara





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    Despite all the glowing endorsements for the ABS system on my 1200, I found the system to be only a source of frustration and close calls.
    And I like to use a brake to steer at times; I want to be able to lock a wheel. In the dirt I may want to lock both wheels, at times
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    My 1200 is much more fun to ride with ABS off and I have better control of the bike.
  19. GrahamD

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    Fair enough. I see why you are skeptical.
    All I can say is try and see. you can always easily do a disable at any time for little money.
  20. RideAbout

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    Sometimes brake-slides are fun, if not useful.

    [​IMG]

    ... I'm anti "ABS" also, the only 6-Pack I have is filled with beer... not on my belly!

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