The Yamaha Super Tenere XT1200Z Big Thread

Discussion in 'Land of the Rising Sun: ADV Bikes from Japan' started by mr moto, Feb 9, 2008.

  1. Space Traveler

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    I am seriously considering to buy Gerbing's clothing to be able to Ride my New flat grey S10 as soon as possible...

    I want to know where you plug your electric clothing on the bike. Do you use the factory power outlet in the dash or you aded one under the seat?

    If you have some pics, that will help for sure.


    Thanks!
  2. TH

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    The stock plug will not support the gerbing gear that well. Best thing to do:

    • Run the wire that comes with the controller directly from the battery and run it to under the seat, or
    • Install a fuse block (many different options) and run the gear off of the fuse block, which would be directly connected to the battery.
    I have used the fuse block method, as I don't like to keep my tinkering with the stock electrical wires to a minimum.
  3. Space Traveler

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    Great, Thank you!

    It help searching on Google when you know what to look for and use the right words :evil
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  5. Bob Herr

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    Check out the Warm N Safe gear too. They have a remote(wireless) operated controller that does not require wires to the jacket and pants. The only connection you have to fool with is the wire from the battery. Gerbings may have it now too. I just haven't checked their website lately. - Bob
  6. Dirty bike

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    +1 on what TH said. The factory cig outlet is only 3 amps fuse.

    Before you buy, check out Warm and Safe, Powerlet and even Tourmaster to see what meets your needs. I've had a bunch of warranty issues with Tourmaster heated gear, but they have always been fast to deal with and their gear does come with a controller, where as all the others you need to buy the controller separately from the jacket or other piece of heated gear. I've had a Gerbing jacket liner for over ten years and it still works fine, but if I were buying today, I'd probably get W&S for the features and quality of the gear. Wife moved from the Tourmaster to the W&S and is pretty happy, though feels the jacket is not as warm by itself, (w/o power), for walking around. It's far less bulky though, and more comfortable to wear under her gear.

    All heated gear come with a pigtail that is a fused connection with ring terminals on it, for direct connection to the battery. Many riders that already have an aux. fuse block will connect the pigtail to the fuse block instead of direct to the battery. Most of us learned long ago that you can only get so many wires on the battery, and the aux. fuse block makes it a lot easier to manage your electrical farkles.

    I have seen many methods of managing the plugs for heated gear. The simplist is what TH wrote, just run the connector up under the seat, give it a zip tie for strain relief and when you need it, pop the seat and pull the wire up so it sticks out at the front of the seat. The controller will plug in there and hang off your tank bag or jacket.

    When you don't need it, it can just stay there and will be fine, and when things warm up consistently that you don't use it, tuck it back under the seat and it's out of sight.

    The most sanitary method is to use a 'mounted' controller, Warm and Safe being the best out there. (First gear branded Heat-Trollers are made by W&S and warranted the same.) This means you have the controller box under the seat or under the side panel and a remote adjustment knob mounted somewhere convenient for you to reach. You still have a wire from under the seat to plug into, but you are just plugging in the jacket, the controller is always on the bike. You can also use a panel mount co-ax receptacle if you want to avoid the wire coming out from under the seat.

    I use a Heat-Troller for my heated grips too, and have that control knob located in the left switch housing.
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    Co-ax plug coming out from under the seat, running to controller in pocket of tank bag. I'll update this to a mounted unit soon, probably with a panel mount co-ax jack. (the other cord is for comm to helmet)
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    Close up under the seat, finger points to the zip tie for strain relief.
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  7. pluric

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    I have heated grips and a heated vest with the outlets wired in.

    If I'm going cold riding I wear one of these and don't need the vest.
    They are soooooo warm alone. I use it as a snow suit too when playing
    on other winter toys.

    http://www.revzilla.com/product/fir...kw={keyword}&gclid=CPq-5d_71rUCFQxxQgodWDMAaA
  8. fredz43

    fredz43 Been here awhile

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    I believe that you still have to plug the jacket into the power port. The remote portion is only the controller. Or perhaps I misunderstood what you were saying.
  9. Old Git Ray

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    You have got to be right. Else its wizardry, not electricity.
  10. Dirty bike

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    Yep, with any of the options, you have a single power cable coming from the bike to the jacket.

    With the portable controller, the controller is in line between the bike and the jacket.

    With the mounted controller, the jacket plugs directly to the power cable, as that runs to the mounted controller and you have to run another cable with the control knob to someplace handy.

    With the 'remote' controller, it's the same as the mounted one, except you don't have to run a wire from the control box to the adjustment knob. The remote portion is just the heat adjustment knob, and you can stick that where ever with some velcro or dual-lock or just put it in your map case or pocket, etc.

    All the remote option saves you is the time it takes to route and install the control knob and led. Well, and the space on a panel or switch housing.
  11. Space Traveler

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    Would you mind giving me a link for the one You have???
  12. Bob Herr

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    Yes, you still have to plug the jacket into the power cord from the battery but there are no wires from the controller to the jacket. W&S told me that is the reason they do not call it a wireless setup because it still has a power cord. FWIW, I prefer the portable controller rather than the one mounted on the bike. I have a couple of bikes and I just clip the controller to my jacket and put a lead from the battery on each bike to plug the jacket in to. With permanet mount you will have to buy additional controllers if you have more than one bike. Finally, if you trade bikes all you have to do is put a new battery harness on the new bike and you are ready to roll. - Bob
  13. TH

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    I just went to autozone and bought a fuse block. I velcro'd it by where the tools are located (right side cover).

    However, there are multiple other options available. Do a search of this thread you and you will see some good setups. Likewise, you can also go to www.yamahasupertenere.com where you could also search for solutions.

    Pluric has a nice setup that fits in the cavity under the seat. Mine was just a bit to long to fit in there, so that is why mine is under the right side cover. Pluric has some photo's of his setup on this thread.

    Eastern Beaver is also a popular choice for many folks here too. http://www.easternbeaver.com/

    A good place for outlining the wiring, using a distribution block and relay can be found at Canyon Chasers (This is what I used as a template for my wiring setup). http://canyonchasers.net/shop/generic/relay.php
  14. pluric

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    New owner, stupid question....well, usually if I'm talking I'm saying something stupid!

    Clutch Mod Short.... why does it work? When the clutch is out (normal riding mode) that circuit is already shorted. When the clutch is pulled in, it's open.

    Does the ECU somehow sense that the circuit was open (taking off, shifting, etc...) and limit power until you reach 4th gear? I'm not questioning the mod....just cornfuzed why it makes a difference.

    :shog
  18. markjenn

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    No one has the full answer. For some reason, Yamaha screws with the engine tuning depending on clutch position. As you probably know, Yamaha uses an electronic throttle on the S10 which means twistgrip position is translated electronically to throttle plate movement by a computer which takes into account many things and apparently the position of the clutch is included. Other bikes do this also so this is not unusual in modern EFI systems.

    My personal theory is that Yamaha removes some of the throttle damping and delay inherent in the electronic system to make shifting crisper and let the engine rev more quickly and freely with the clutch pulled. And that's probably all the mod does - you can think of it as a jumpier "super sport" throttle mode that is addition to the sport and tour modes. Others think ignition and fuel mixture may be involved.

    Getting the bike past emissions might have also have been a consideration.

    - Mark
  19. fredz43

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    You have it backwards. When the clutch lever is out the circuit is open. It closes when the lever is pulled. Shorting the switch simulates the lever being pulled in. As to what the ECU does when it thinks the clutch lever is pulled in, we don't know for sure, but shorting the switch does seem to improve the bottom end throttle response with bikes that have not had the ECU reflashed.
  20. towboatcrisco

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    Well ended up with a Nelson-Rigg ( falcon defender XXL ) for the money 58$ i dont think i can go wrong .
    Oh and as for using sheets haha call me crazy but i always drape thick towels over the windscreen,tank, seat , and any other sensitive area's .. ???? ive just always done that

    Quirks " eh "

    i really like what pluric did with his fuse box under the seat .. i may have to poke around a tad more on the thread and do some more research . I have stock heated grips put on by the dealer so i did'nt have to fuss ... but for futures , I like