The Yamaha Super Tenere XT1200Z Big Thread

Discussion in 'Land of the Rising Sun: ADV Bikes from Japan' started by mr moto, Feb 9, 2008.

  1. RideAbout

    RideAbout Mentally Retired

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    New owner, stupid question....well, usually if I'm talking I'm saying something stupid!

    Clutch Mod Short.... why does it work? When the clutch is out (normal riding mode) that circuit is already shorted. When the clutch is pulled in, it's open.

    Does the ECU somehow sense that the circuit was open (taking off, shifting, etc...) and limit power until you reach 4th gear? I'm not questioning the mod....just cornfuzed why it makes a difference.

    :shog
  2. markjenn

    markjenn Long timer

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    No one has the full answer. For some reason, Yamaha screws with the engine tuning depending on clutch position. As you probably know, Yamaha uses an electronic throttle on the S10 which means twistgrip position is translated electronically to throttle plate movement by a computer which takes into account many things and apparently the position of the clutch is included. Other bikes do this also so this is not unusual in modern EFI systems.

    My personal theory is that Yamaha removes some of the throttle damping and delay inherent in the electronic system to make shifting crisper and let the engine rev more quickly and freely with the clutch pulled. And that's probably all the mod does - you can think of it as a jumpier "super sport" throttle mode that is addition to the sport and tour modes. Others think ignition and fuel mixture may be involved.

    Getting the bike past emissions might have also have been a consideration.

    - Mark
  3. fredz43

    fredz43 Been here awhile

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    You have it backwards. When the clutch lever is out the circuit is open. It closes when the lever is pulled. Shorting the switch simulates the lever being pulled in. As to what the ECU does when it thinks the clutch lever is pulled in, we don't know for sure, but shorting the switch does seem to improve the bottom end throttle response with bikes that have not had the ECU reflashed.
  4. towboatcrisco

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    Well ended up with a Nelson-Rigg ( falcon defender XXL ) for the money 58$ i dont think i can go wrong .
    Oh and as for using sheets haha call me crazy but i always drape thick towels over the windscreen,tank, seat , and any other sensitive area's .. ???? ive just always done that

    Quirks " eh "

    i really like what pluric did with his fuse box under the seat .. i may have to poke around a tad more on the thread and do some more research . I have stock heated grips put on by the dealer so i did'nt have to fuss ... but for futures , I like
  5. twinrider

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    Huge improvement imo. Pluric mentioned that even with the ECU flash the CSM still improves the bottom end response. Not sure why as the flash is supposed to remove all restrictions but he's got both so...
  6. tremor38

    tremor38 Long timer

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    Important to note that not all ECU flashes were created equal. Pluric's was done at AF1 racing. They use the ECU Unleased flash which has pretty smooth response off the very bottom end. By comparison, my Diapason flash is fairly abrupt off the bottom end, though I wish it were smoother at times.

    Have you sent your ECU to Off The Road yet, or did you decide against that?
  7. twinrider

    twinrider pass the catnip

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    The bike's running great with the CSM so it's slipped down the farkle list behind panniers, driving lights, a Sargent seat, tank bag... I would love to ride yours back to back with mine sometime so I can see what I'm missing.
  8. snakebitten

    snakebitten Small Town Hick

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    I'm like you. The CSM reshuffled the deck. Priorities got re-arranged.
    Ohlins is the one sucking me dry currently.

    But I was WARNED not to drive a well sorted-fueled Tenere or I would change my mind about how well my CSM engine runs.

    Easy enough. I won't!
  9. pluric

    pluric Gimpy Adventurer

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    I do have a OEM bag collecting dust and a OEM bash plate that has been retired too.
  10. jaumev

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    The plate is finished at last!!
    Now I can change the oil and filter without remove the plate :clap

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  11. fredz43

    fredz43 Been here awhile

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    After having AF1 Racing do my ECU Unlimited flash, I tried the CSM mod to see if I could tell if it added anything. I would stop and insert the fuse and then later stop and remove it and at times, I thought that, yeah, I think I feel a bit of difference with it, at other times, not. I then installed a handlebar switch so that I could easily make the transition while riding, at a stop, etc. Once I did that I saw that I could tell not one bit of difference with the switch on and off. I installed a fuse on a friends stock S10 and he was amazed at the difference it made in his stock bike. We then rode mine with the flash only and agreed that it had better throttle response, even right off the bottom. So, I have concluded that at least on my bike with the ECU Unlimited flash and only an Akra can as far as mods, the flash is better at all RPM's and the CSM adds nothing.
  12. Dirty bike

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    Can't really tell what you did Jaumev, just cut an access hole in the front of the skid plate? Or something more?
  13. jaumev

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    The original plate had a space to fit the oil filter but it was melded. It was quite big and the 21" front wheel touches it.

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    My dealer found a smaller filter that it works in the ST so the cover it could be smaller as well.

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    This is the new cover. I can take it off to remove the oil filter.

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    I made bigger holes to take the oil off.

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    I also cut the supports that can cause a hole in the sump if there is a big impact in the skid plate

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  14. RideAbout

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    Not on my bike. Unplug the connector, jam an ohm meter across the two leads on the clutch switch itself and I read an open with the clutch pulled in and a 0 ohm short with the clutch out.... Hence my confusion on why it works.

    :freaky
  15. Vbird

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    Sent the dealer a deposit on a white '13 today and it will be here in a few weeks. :clap

    I only have one question about possible accessories but I'm afraid it's going to sound like starting an oil thread.

    Using the bike the same as the Strom. Touring, backroad twisties, forest roads and maybe a little double track gravel. At 5'9/ 150 I'm not going to take 600 lbs off road, river crossings or jeep trails.

    I've seen many opinions on skid plates, but what about not running one at all? Never had one on the Strom and never felt that one was needed even after taking it into some places where I would normally take the mountain bike.

    For those not running a plate, what touches down first?
  16. RideAbout

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    I appologize for any confusion, my bad. It seems there are 3 connectors in the clutch switch, I was inadventently metering the the middle one and one of the outer ones.... the Tenere only uses the outer ones that are indeed "Closed" when clutch in, and "Open" when clutch out.... sorry.
  17. RightCross101

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    How fast is the tenere? I am on the fence between a tenere and a multistrada. I do very light offroad and mostly touring. I have a suzuki Bking right now and I have had a zx12. I also have had a lot of dirtbikes.

    I am interested in the tenere but Im afraid it might be sluggish.
  18. pluric

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    I'm afraid you're right.
  19. RightCross101

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    The other option would be the new triumph 1200 which by all accounts is very quick. Thanks for your feedback.
  20. markjenn

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    The protection without, and likely damage if the worst happens, is similar, so if you were comfortable on the Strom without, I'd say you'd be just as comfortable on the S10.

    You might consider one of the light-duty ones. I have a Motech and I don't plan on bashing about hard-core either, but it is nice to know it is there for the occasional small hits and to protect against the errant rock.

    - Mark