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Discussion in 'Land of the Rising Sun: ADV Bikes from Japan' started by mr moto, Feb 9, 2008.
If that's the case, a 600lb pig would be the last thing I'd want. But then they're used to that.
In Australia, it is necessary to pay "on road costs" in addition to the unit cost of the motorcycle. These costs include registration, insurance, third-party insurance, stamp duty, and dealer delivery fees. Depending on your state, these add between $1500 and $4000 to the list price of the bike.
However, since I only live here and you've been to a website no one's heard of, you must know more than me about my own country and what I just paid for a bike less than six weeks ago.
Dickhead yerself... I'm Australian but haven't lived there for 10 years, BUT I knew of the website that you say "no one's heard of" in the late 90's. It's run by Fairfax, the largest newspaper conglomerate in the country.
What's your point? That you paid more, or less, than what's quoted on the web site? And how does that make R3B a dickhead? IF you paid more than RRP, who's the dickhead?
I believe the reason he had not heard of the site is that it is now virtually unknown. I found the site which does not list any BMW used bikes whilst bikesales and bikepoint list aroud 500. Ducati had 2 listings whilst in bikesales there were 450+. Normally BMW dealers in Australia do not discount new models that are in demand. And the 800GS is on a waiting list. The base price is $16750 with additional costs as per "raiders" estimates. He is basically correct in what he states.
Ah, and you have evaded thoze taxes with your beemer?
Or do those costs just ad up to every sold bike its price?
As stated earlier, be fair in comparing, don't bias one side or another on incoherent grounds, but on facts. I could give lots of Quotes from other sites, stating the same as stated earlier, eand you know thattoo.
It's quite simple...
If you don't like the Super Tenere, why in hells name are you reading here, that's pure sadomasochism, please yourself and have a good day in one of the many many "ooh aahh i've go myself an expensive gizmobike" threads concerning the F800GS,but beware there are a lot of horror stories about seizures, collapsing backwheels etcetera , if you are afaid of such stories you better stay here (i'f you grasp what imean by that...)
ANd now for something completely different: I've been invited to Schiphol Rijk, to have a real life taster of the Tenere !
(many thanks to Jeroen Termaat making it possible)
Maybe it's time for me to answer ;-)
I do speak very fondly of BMW's, that's true. Especially of the 1100GS. But I have also been very disappointed with the 1200GS: leaks, very rough engine, problems with the electronics. Far enough problems to know that I would never buy another 1200GS.
As for the 1100's, the problem is that they are all so very different: there is a chance that you buy a very good one; there is an equal chance to end up with a bike with which I will never be friends.
You are right about the fact that after the accident, I was not able to handle such a heavy bike. At this moment, I would be able to, but I have been getting used to ride a light-weight, one cylinder bike: I don't long for a heavier bike.
So I will stick to my 660 Tenere, but it is also true that I would not go back to BMW if I would long for a two-cylinder GS-like bike.
And I will certainly testride the new SuperTenere!
All bullshit aside, I think the Super Tonne will be a great motorcycle, just not the one I was hoping for.
With the ST, you can be assured that every bike will be virtually equal in reliability and performance, something I agree latter BMWs have had trouble with.
In saying this, the ST is most possibly a "safer" buy for those new to Adv bikes and those who have been unlucky enough to have had a "less than perfect" BMW.
Lifes a risk, that's what you take regardless of what you buy!!
For its intended market, I hope the ST is a roaring success, and if it forces BMW to lift its game, we all win!!
Heh, that's a good nickname for this bike because of its weight: the Super Tonner!
Will you please stop complaining about the weight ?
261 kg full with luggage and accessories means around 230kg naked and probably 210kg dry. That's a few kgs more than an Africa Twin or Super Tenere 750, and NOBODY who owns such a bike complains about the weight. Add 110 HP and a lot of torque compared to the old 750 and you get a MUCH better bike (at least on paper, that's what are we talking about).
Where did you find this info on the F800GS?
It is a pig. I doubt you will be able to ride it at 210kg.
Well the big plusses of the tenere are the extremely long and light Cardan, and the for modern times long stroke. The bore stroke ratio is 0.811 compared to 0.734 for the TDM engine, and the extremely oversquare GS Twin with its highrevvin' 0.723.
But as allways, the proof is in the pudding, not in dry numbers, allthough the numbers pack a virtual punch, hopefully they've been able to put the extreem grunty lowdown thrusth ofthe MT-01 into this rotated V-twin
In the Dutch, German and Englisch GS lists i frequent, and in Das Motorrad, MO und PS german magazines, i'm sort of read-a-holic were it concerns bikedata...
But would it be possible to keep this a somewhat more Super tenere thread, there are more than enough Beemerrelated threads to meet your demand for GS info i think :-þ
You sure do a lot of reading but still come to the wrong conclusions about the 800GS, such as you saying the 800GS motor is made in China.
You and your Dutch buddy Two Plugs seem to be reading the same bullshit. The 650/800GS motor is made by Rotax in Austria. Now let's see how many more times you're going to say it's made in China.
Shureit's developed in Austria, i won't doubt that, but the aluminium castings are done in China the last three years, i know its not verry reassuring to hear such a story, i was pissed off truly, to hear that kind of information, asking prices which are stellar for cheap china human labour exploitation really stinks in my opinion, if it was Hyosung priced icould cope with it, but this way it's just inhumane...
They Fired 1500 people in germany last year while production soared!
But again, this is not a "lament BMW" thread, but a "cheap japanese GS ripoff" thread, so please try to say something about the Tenere will ye?
@R3B... Now we are friends...
It seems that our BMW riding friends here are 'select' readers. Because the Chinese Beemer stuff was introduced at... ADVrider:
Google on it and you will see that it doesn't only involve the 'old' 650 anymore.
PS... Got the same invitation to come over to Schiphol Rijk...
I did. You're falling behind on your reading. Read this: