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Discussion in 'Land of the Rising Sun: ADV Bikes from Japan' started by mr moto, Feb 9, 2008.
Great to get a second bike, both for you?
Tested the KTM Adventure R .... WHOW!!
Ok I just read some of it...My apologies to AMCN. I thought there was a Strom in there
Prices as tested...Here is the BMW trickery again. Price at the top $21, 490. As tested $29,500.
Can you buy a $21,500 GS in this country?. I asked. Special long wait order.
KTM 1190 ADV as tested..$21,100.
KTM 1190 ADV R as tested $22,100
TEX 1200 as tested $22,500
Guzzi Stelvio as tested $20,990
Honda VFR1200X as tested $17,400
S10 as tested $21,600.
I'd be looking at the KTM in that lot for sure..except that 12.5:1 compression ratio makes it a bit iffy.
So can the GS (12.5:1) and the KTM (12.5:1) Honda (12:1) use Opal fuel?
So that leaves TEX, (11.0:1 ) S10 (11:1) Stelvio (11.0:1). I would really want to go and test ride these bikes with E10 regular before I even thought about them.
And one thing the testers got right..
If it was European it would be said it had the most character.
Any way I'm off to thump my chest and be macho while I wash out some air filters with raw Kerosene..without gloves while smoking..
The jacked up VFR1200X sounds like a bargain at that price! Wonder why the S10 is so much more expensive?
It would be interesting to see how a reflashed S10 would fare, but seeing how it's Yamaha that fucked it up, fair enough to test as is.
In 2010 the S10 was $20K and sold pretty well, the GS was about $26K (feature for feature as close as possible) and the KTM 990 was about $23K and didn't sell well and the Vstrom 1000 at about $14K and didn't sell well.. That was then.
2012, The VFR1200X was introduced at $20K, but didn't sell well. The Versys1000 was introduced at 17K and didnlt sell well the big Tiger was $23K, and hasn't sold that well either.
2013. KTM, have come in under the GS by a good margin, GS WC prices have stayed the same for the unobtainable base model but the "option" packages have risen 10%.
This is Australia. Australians either want to be American or European, especially the older set who grew up thinking "one day I'd like to buy a (brand that was exotic in 1960's and 1970's)".
As usual there is a vast majority that just buy the brand they grew up lusting after regardless of whether that is what they really need or not.
You could get a VFR1200X, ride it straight down to a top notch tuning shop, do the motor, ECU, top notch suspension and god knows what else and still ride away for less than a GS. (except you would just have top notch suspension without all the switches, which looks like it could be a blessing). A bit strange is this world, considering most GS's are found no more than 200km away from the city at coffee shops arrived via sealed roads only on sunny days.
Sounds just like what a VFR1200X would be good for.
A VFR1200X would be an awesome touring weapon, praying upon sport bikes in the twisties, dicing it up with Porsches on super slab. Complete with quick getaways on nicely groomed dirt roads when necessary....
So........ Adventure R or 660 Ténéré?
Not sure if this question belongs to this thread.
After waiting for months, I was finally able to try the S10 at my local dealer (sort of "demo special weekend").
Currently owning a Vstrom, I was expecting a grown-up better version of my bike. But what I found was a vibey machine that really disappointed me.
Ok, the hp was there, nice riding position, and all that. But somehow I was suddenly thinking of my Vstrom as a "smooth ride" in comparison.
I am beginning to lean towards the FJR now (and wait to see what else they make out of the new triple engine (FJR 800?)).
A few facts: 1) Many owners find the vibes lessen as the engines rack up mileage. 2) A throttle synch also helps reduce vibration. 3) An ECU reflash also smooths out the engine.
How much mileage was on the test bike?
It shows how people's perceptions of the same thing can be quite different. A couple of years back, when I still had my VStrom, I also tested a Super Ten, and I thought it felt almost identical to the VStrom ,just with more of everything ( power, space, weight, etc..). I felt very at home on it right away, and even got a chance to get a little bit "off road" with it, and it still seemed that way. I think your mind-set, and any pre-conceptions about a bike before you ride it play a large factor. If you expect certain behaviours ( good or bad ), or traits, you will be looking for them.
It's not easy, but I find it's better to try to forget what you think you know about a bike when you test ride it.
But I agree with you on the new MT-09 motor. Someone has already done a bit of a mock-up of it like a TDM, but I think taking it another step further down the ADV road would be even better. It looks like a motor that is about to spawn a family of bikes.
Based on your lengthy description of your riding impression I'm guessing the thumbs up
in the photo says it all???
Could you maybe give a little longer ride report? Say somewhere between a Dallara and GrahamD?
Hey, I heard that!
Maybe he's too busy stripping off all the Tenere farkles to get the cash to but the KTM!
I wouldn't get too excited...
Is KTM even going to bring the "Adventure R" model to the USA? It's there on the Euro web sites, but it doesn't show at all on the USA one.
And there's still all that wonderful KTM maintenance!
I don't do photoshop, but Jaumev's picture above is begging for a little "Ayyy!"
Opps, I thought I was on your ignore list. My bad.
That Jaime's thumb up fooled me, so I was lurking a little bit into KTM forums.... Looks like the heating is the least of their issues.
660 Ténéré off course!! I'm not getting mad
I hope to have it in few weeks
I'm making the farkles list ... sooooo long...
See you in august?
No point to compete with the two writing masters with my poor English!!! I will do my best:
The KTM 1190 R is an incredible bike. This bike I tried is from a very good friend who does hard off road. We ride together often so we’ll know how it works at a long term.
I didn’t have proper boots, the bike was new and with road tires so I did a quite good road test but very soft off road.
On road the bike is incredible, full of power, excellent brakes, the clutch is amazingly soft, so the throttle, nice position, good suspension… everything is fine except the heat from the engine. Its terrible, the seat burns!! Awful. And the windscreen is too short.
The engine is really sporty, in hard acceleration you can do wheelies even in forth gear!! Ideal for you Pluric
In dirt, the 21” and 18” combo is perfect, excellent suspensions and the ABS is great. It has an off road position that works only in the front wheel, perfect. I can’t say much about the traction control as I didn’t push very hard but it seems to work fine.
This R version it seems to be the best big adventure bike for people who like off road.
Comparing with my ST: the KTM is more complicated and tired to drive. The Yam has more torque and smooth acceleration… is more friendly and comfortable for a long trip. The KTM is more exciting but after a while I prefer the comfy Yam (I’m getting old??). and the heat in the KTM is terrible, they must solve this.
So, If I had to buy a big adventure bike now I could have a serious problem. For the kind of riding I do (mostly off road) probably the KTM could be the funniest option but the difference in price within the KTM and the Super 10 allows me to farkle the Yam as I have it now and I’m still concerned about KTM reliability… more in a new bike like this with a huge amount of electronics.
But more important, I’m not interested in the marketing argument of power. I don’t need 150HP in dirt and I don’t have the skills riding on road to use them… so then… why to pay for it?.
Nearly like Dallara?
Well... quite close... but not for a KTM.
This week I ordered a Ténéré 660... and I'm thinking seriously to sell the Super 10.
The 660 is more logical for the off road ridings I do, I'm finished farkling the 1200
and I'm getting bored, so it's time to change!