The Yamaha Super Tenere XT1200Z Big Thread

Discussion in 'Land of the Rising Sun: ADV Bikes from Japan' started by mr moto, Feb 9, 2008.

  1. sparkymcgee

    sparkymcgee Been here awhile

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    I totally understand that, but I'm sure the dealer isn't going to lose money selling me a bike. They wouldn't stay in business very long on that model. I figure if I have a price I want to pay and they have a price they want to sell at, if the two don't meet then no deal. We're all grown ups and can make decisions. I can assure you that I'm not going to pay a penny extra so a dealer can stay in business. That's not my problem, it's theirs.
  2. japako

    japako Been here awhile

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    I don't know about California prices, but in TX the invoice is a little less.
    I would expect to buy a 2013 at 12 to 12.4 plus tt&l.
    That is here.
    If the dealer accepts your offer and your happy, that's a good deal. You may want to also get 25% off any farkles bought at the same time.
    You install. That is a pretty normal deal. Such as the wind wings, ect.
  3. markjenn

    markjenn Long timer

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    You're certainly free to offer anything you like, but this sounds a little aggressive. Typical invoice on a Japanese bike is about 84% of MSRP, so for a 2013, that would be about $12,400. Add your TTL, and you're at $13,650 before they make a penny. (I'm not aware that Yamaha has any factory incentives in place - if so, then all bets are off.)

    Your strategy of doing phone negotiations is convenient, but dealers are very reluctant to give their best price over the phone because it almost never results in a sale. If you're going to bargain this aggressively, you'll probably need to be on site to get their best price.

    I doubt they'll call you back as you're way too far apart.

    Good luck regardless.

    - Mark
  4. sparkymcgee

    sparkymcgee Been here awhile

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    I figure on a 2012, the pricing should be lower than for a '13 though.
  5. japako

    japako Been here awhile

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    Your right, it should. The MSRP on a 12 was 13,999 and on a 13 it is ,
    14,790.
  6. cosmic

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    Bazar style... :)


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  7. avc8130

    avc8130 Long timer

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    You say this, but you offered the dealer HIS COST on the product. That IS LOSING MONEY! The salesman needed to get paid, the lights needed to be on, they needed the roof to store the bike under, etc, etc, etc.

    If this dealer is "local" to you, why are you beating on him over the phone? Walk in the door with a pile of cash and be a REAL buyer. Ride out on your new motorcycle.

    ac
  8. avc8130

    avc8130 Long timer

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    Refresh my memory.

    Was the 2012 MSRP $13,999 or was that the pre-order MSRP and the ACTUAL MSRP was $14,499? Or maybe $13,999 was MSRP and the pre-order was $13,499?

    I definitely remember Yamaha having a different MSRP for those that pre-ordered and those that waited to see how awesome the bike was.

    ac
  9. sallydog

    sallydog 80 miles a day for 41 months

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    in feb 28 2012 i called 4 dealers on the fone and asked what is their best cash price on a new bike. mar 1 i was at the lowest and put a bike on my trailer for 13,100. 14037 OTD. took me 15 minutes in fone calls and 30 minutes at the dealer with the best price
  10. Icecold Dan

    Icecold Dan Been here awhile

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    I came in just under 13k otd including a 4 year YES plan. This was from Miller's Yamaha in Lamont Furnace, PA. This was last Feb.
  11. sallydog

    sallydog 80 miles a day for 41 months

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    thats nice

    i got my yes plan for $380. my dealer matched the internet price. purchased a week before factory plan expired. no reason to buy day one, easier to get a better deal in the future
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    I believe that $13,999 was the pre-order MSRP price. I ordered mine the first day of the pre-order for $12,400.
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    fredz43 Been here awhile

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    $13,900 was the PDP price. When the dealers could later order the 2012's. the MSRP was $14,500. The 2013 MSRP is $14,790.
  14. japako

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    I believe we got 500 off for ordering early. I could go back and check, but I'm too lazy.:lol3
  15. japako

    japako Been here awhile

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    Fred is correct, the msrp was 13900 on the 12.
    I paid 12 plus title and license. No tax be cause I did a run through.

    At 12 the dealer was not loosing money or he would not have done it.

    There are factory incentives for the dealer at the end of the year and other incentives that can bring his cost down.
  16. Dallara

    Dallara Creaks When Walks...

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    Please enlighten us, Japako... Details if you don't mind. The more the better.

    I hadn't realized you were ever a dealer.

    Dallara


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  17. pluric

    pluric Gimpy Adventurer

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    That should keep Dallara busy for a while.
  18. Dallara

    Dallara Creaks When Walks...

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    Oh, I can wait to hear his illuminating insights... :lurk

    Especially the part where he tells us how dealers might sell something in January and then wait all the way until the following December to get any "incentive"... Never mind about the time/value of money, etc.

    http://www.wavlist.com/soundfx/014/cricket-2.wav

    Dallara



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  19. japako

    japako Been here awhile

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    Always calm. He's on ignore anyway.:lol3
  20. bouldertag

    bouldertag WannabenarlyADV'rrrr

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    Dealers make their money on all the crap they sale in the store and the services they provide for all of us riders. They wouldn't stay in business if all they relied on was the sale of the bikes. Well for my area that is what I have come to understand.

    The dealer here told me they make little to no profit, (yes they could smudge the truth at times) on the bikes especially when i asked to drop a 2012 down to 12.9 and he said he could not do it. I have been looking at the bike and putting in offers since Feb 2012, plus dropping a ton of money on farkle parts, apparel and other services for my other bike so I felt I have established a good relationship with this owner of the shop as I go the rounds with him every time I went in. I would discuss the Super T and go over numbers. The bike was sitting on the floor since Dec 2011.
    I was looking at a used 2012 for 12.5 with 700 miles In Feb 2012.
    I would return to the dealer who told me that he really needed to get rid of the bike since it had been sitting there way too long but he said he would actually be in the red if he went to 12.9.

    So now he still has the 2012 and a grey 2013 on the floor. The 2012 is still tagged at 13.6.

    And I have 3 or 4 months of wonderful riding time on mine...yaa hoo.
    Great bike!
    bd