The Yamaha Super Tenere XT1200Z Big Thread

Discussion in 'Land of the Rising Sun: ADV Bikes from Japan' started by mr moto, Feb 9, 2008.

  1. Red Dust

    Red Dust Been here awhile

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    Yes there are quite a few in the area, maybe chase one down and take it for a spin...
    If the new DL1000 would have existed before I bought the ST.... :-?
    Somehow I do not think the Honda Cross Tourer will go to the places I have been taking the ST to, the ST absolutely rocks on really bad roads such as forest tracks and mud and I`m not a Honda man :-I
    Having said that I took my old DL650 to places where my mate on his GSA took his bike to and even with his great suspension and ground clearance I could keep up felt sorry for my bike though since the suspension bottomed out multiple times and my bash plats took lot of hits, on the ST I got a massive 11 pound frame mounted plate that will take on big rocks.
    I`m pretty sure my ST will be in my ownership for quite some time still, she is still beloved and the hopes are still there for a long companionship :-)
  2. Red Dust

    Red Dust Been here awhile

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    Might take it to a different mechanic which I know is really good and balance the throttle bodies, could synthetic oil make a difference compared to mineral oil in this matter? Did I mention this forum is great!
  3. twinrider

    twinrider pass the catnip

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    I think that any of the bikes in this class will go as far as their owners are capable of pushing them. But in any case, if I were in your shoes I would try to get some test rides on the other S10s in your area and then have your dealer check your bike if it did have excessive vibes compared to the others.
  4. japako

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    Plus 100 on this. I used the Rox anti vibe risers and grip puppies.
    It did take some time, but after I had some miles on it the vibes seemed to go away and it became a really great bike. I also had Gen 1 flash.

    Use the risers and grip puppies, you will notice a difference.
  5. Old Git Ray

    Old Git Ray Now retired...YeeHaa

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    ... and a Cramp Buster on the throttle. I get vibes on long straight bits and it just allows me to relax the grip enough to stop the vibes getting through. When I get into town I simply turn it around out of the way.

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    I still get vibes on mine after 28k miles. Although the state of tune does make a big difference. I have O2 optimsiders fitted along with my PCV.
    They induced so much vibration at mid range when cruising that I could not ride the bike. I disconnected them and the bike was perfectly useable.
  6. RocketJohn

    RocketJohn Hook em' Horns!

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    I really never think about the throttle or fueling program until I read this thread.

    That said, I'll probably do this ECU thing sometime next year.
  7. pluric

    pluric Gimpy Adventurer

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    Smart dealer, as soon as you say something like that the customer will expect miracle results.
    Then you did the reflash wrong and it's not as smooth as 'promised'. Next you owe them a new bike.:wink:
  8. Jim Rowley

    Jim Rowley Rise above

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    Could out of synch throttle bodies cause the vibration?
  9. pluric

    pluric Gimpy Adventurer

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    Hey Jim, I guess it's better to be late to the party than not show up at all.:wink::D
  10. Jim Rowley

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    Ooops. I only have internet access at work. Shhhhh... I usually have 3-5 pages to catch up if I have time.
  11. pretbek

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    What kind of tires did you have on this ride?

    Looks like fun, almost had a detour down the hill at around 3:45. :eek1
    These are the kinds of roads I hope I find on my Versys, I just ride them a bit slower than you do on the Tenere.
  12. SpaceManSpiff

    SpaceManSpiff Man of Mystery

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    ^^^ he had K60s on it.
  13. William42

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    Do your really ride like that?
  14. Old Git Ray

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    AFAIK the synch will only effect very low throttle openings. It is a fine tune and when the throttle bodies are halfway open (like when fast cruising) any difference will be so minimal as to not be noticeable.

    Of course I could be talking bollocks which is more likely.

    Anyway, seems from your last that your house is not yet sorted. How is it going ?
  15. Langolier

    Langolier Cycleologist

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    Might have somthing here:

    "What are the symptoms of throttle bodies being out of synch?"

    Increased vibration - TBS balances the power output of the cylinders (vacuum level is an indication of power output - less vacuum means that throttle plate is open further, and the cylinder is working harder relative to the other cylinder).

    Taken from:
    http://www.stromtrooper.com/dl1000-...symptoms-throttle-bodies-being-out-synch.html
  16. Jim Rowley

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    Hi Ray,
    The exterior walls are up as is the roof. The tar paper is on and the shingles will go on tomorrow. The interior walls are roughed in. The plumber showed up yesterday (yes, Sunday) at 9:00 AM and worked until 7:30 PM. He's finishing up today for an inspection tomorrow. It's all blindingly fast. The contractor is cracking that whip. He thinks we'll be in by Christmas. It would be a nice present.

    How's the journey? Our best to you and Karen.
  17. Langolier

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    From same thread as noted above:

    Ok, here are a few symptoms that you will find when you are due for a throttle body synch.

    1) - Increased vibration at all rpm. It is hard to pick up at idle, you'll certainly notice it at the smooth spot (DL1000) between 4 - 5.5k rpm. At 4.5k the 1000 should be damn near smooth as glass with no vibration at all from the engine, if you feel any it's time. It will also feel very rough on acceleration, to me it sort of sounds like a growling dog. The engine gets a kind of GRRRR sound and feel to it. I know this is quite subjective but that's what comes to my mind. Also a day long trip will start causing numbness in the hands by rides end. 90 degree twins are balanced, when out of tune they induce vibration.
  18. markjenn

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    This sets an unrealistic expectation of what a TBS can do, especially on the S10. Slog a S10 with a load, up a hill, into a headwind at full throttle and I don't care what the RPM is, you're going to get some serious vibes. (And with the S10's modest RWHP, this situation can happen quite a bit.)

    That's the trouble with all these vibes discussion - it so subjective and there are so many variables. My S10 is glass smooth some of the time, has a little thrumming some of the time, and vibes pretty good some of the time, depending on temp, load, RPM, winds, road conditions, etc. I don't think you can put a fine point on it. Certainly if a bike vibes more than "normal" (meaning the average for that model), a TBS can sometimes help.

    Someone else suggested riding other examples of the same bike as a good starting point. I completely agree. And more times than not, when someone does this, they come back saying that if the other bike vibrates less, it is only slightly less. Some riders are just particularly sensitive to certain types of vibration and miles and careful tune will only go so far. Some are going to have a problem with virtually any large-displacement twin; others are going to have their hands and feet fall asleep with even the smoothest inline-four. There are even folks complaining about vibration with BMW's six! I think a lot of the perception that vibes get better over time is simply the rider adjusting to the situation.

    - Mark
  19. pluric

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    Yeah, maybe tell him to slow down just a little....


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  20. Jim Rowley

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    What's wrong with that?