There's no crying in GOLF!...

Discussion in 'Sports' started by Pep, May 23, 2003.

  1. wxwax

    wxwax Excited Member

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    Ah, spoken like a true neophyte. Someday you should try hitting the ball into the hole, and see just how 'easy' it is. You might spend the rest of your life trying to prove to everyone that with a little more practice, "it is, too, easy.' :nod
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  2. wxwax

    wxwax Excited Member

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    :rofl :rofl :rofl Great post, Oscar, and so very true! :rofl :rofl
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  3. ROGUE

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    The closest I've tried is Putt Putt, I've not had the chance to learn the real game of golf yet. I'm sure if I putt :D my mind to it, it could be done. Hell, I'd be happy driving the golf cart and drinking beer. :1drink

    I have a friend who used to be the hired "pro" at a golf course years ago, beat everyone all the time. She's in her 50's (or 60's not sure) and she still beats the hired pro at her fav golf course :lol2 If I were going to learn, it'd be from her.
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  4. Aurelius

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    There's nothing challenging about golf. Its not a real sport. Real sports (like pro-wrestling) are played by real men, not guys with their gut hanging over their belts who couldn't make it up a flight of stairs unassisted. The only reason women can't do as well against men in golf as they do in other pseudo-sports like pool, is because they lack the upper body strength to drive the ball as far. If women players were only allowed to take steroids, there wouldn't be any need for the LPGA.
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  5. Aurelius

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  6. Retro

    Retro Just the Facts Ma'am Super Moderator

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    That's the problem with Annika competing in this tournament. In order for male golfers to join the tour, they must first pass Qualifying School, or "Q" school. This is a really tough set of tournaments and skill tests. Many men who are trying to break onto the PGA tour will have to attend "Q" School more than once if they don't do well on the tour. They get sent down to the Buy.Com or Nike tour. Think of it as similar to the Major League in Baseball.

    Annika was able to play via a Sponsors Exemption. These exemptions are not usually granted to golfers who are not already qualified players on the PGA Tour. Usually they are used to get a sponsored golfer in, who didn't qualify for one reason or another, but have still passed "Q" school. They might also be used to bring in a retired golfer for publicity.
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  7. freaking RT

    freaking RT will golf for food

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    I was reading an article last week in one of the golf mags. they were discussing the history of sponsors exemptions. years ago, the sponsors could invite who ever they wanted. Joe Louis, Babe Ruth, different movie stars, etc. Now, the amatuer must have at least a 2 handicap or better to play.

    the number of people invited depends on the size of the field and tends to change year to year. now it's mostly former tourneys champs, older PGA players and those that have qualified buy finishing a certain position in Q school or the Nationwide tour (formerly the buy.com tour) and college standouts.
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  8. Gordy

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    said Andrew Ward
    Akchooley, the distance comes from clubhead speed, which is a total package type deal, including (but not limited to): leg strength, balance, flexibility on the rotation, quick hands, etc.
    If we go off calling golf a pseudo sport, then you may as well lump road riding in there. At least motocrossers have to be in shape. I can't recall ever straining anything on the road bike.:rofl My ass gets tired, but I honestly can't think of a physical advantage over a female.:confused
    Well.....I can think of one, but I'm trying my best to keep on the righteous path.
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  9. Oscar

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    That pretty much sums it up in respect of tee shots, but I work with a good golfer (2 Handicap) and he says that women are at a disadvantage using irons in the fairway. He says that is the one place where physical strength is required - to pick the ball off the grass or rough .
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  11. Oscar

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    This is about equity.
    I'm sure men wouldn't want to play the LPGA, but at the moment there's no way of knowing - they are excluded.

    A better example is tennis.
    More people watch the mens tennis, but some women players have called for equal prizemoney. How can they justify this? They won't play the men and can't play to that level, so why should they get the same money?

    BTW - before anyone mentions Bobby Riggs - he was 57 years old. Venus Willaims was quite vocal after making it to the top of womans tennis about the lack of challenges in the WTA and how she could take on the men. Seubsequently a (male)German player ranked 203rd in the world played Venus and Serena Williams in a set each. The result was 6-1 and 6-2. You will note that Venus was a bit less vocal about playing against men after that.
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  12. wxwax

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    So what? :dunno Who cares?

    It was good for the tournament, good for women's golf, good for TV, good for golf in general. The public certainly enjoyed it.

    I can't think of a single loser in the whole deal. So what's the beef?
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  13. Oscar

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    The beef is that there's nuttin' juicy to argue about on JM anymore.....(I'm so desperate I've argued both sides of this thread). I suppose it's 'cause it's summer over there and you bastidges get to go riding.....:mad:
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  14. Aurelius

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    I do. I would never refer to road riding as a "sport". Road racing, is another matter; that does require a lot of strength, stamina, reaction time, and general athleticism to do well.
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  15. ImaPoser

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    :rofl You just can't find anyone to fight with can ya?:rofl
    we'll be back in six months.:evil
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  16. Aurelius

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    The question of equity is a seperate argument. Its peripheral to Fred's point that Sorensen should not have been allowed to play in a men's tournament in the first place. Raising the question of equity reveals an inconsistency, to be sure, but it takes him no closer to his desired conclusion.

    Perhaps the prize money should me determined in part by the number of tickets sold rather than the skill level of the participants. Then they'd have nothing to complain about. Bobby Fischer once argued that the world chess championship should have the same amount of prize money offered as the world boxing championship. Of course the argument is nonsense; the level of attendance isn't even comparable, nor is the level of sponsorship. I imagine the same is true for women's sports, none of which generate the same level of interest as men's sports.

    Oh, don't get me wrong. I'm not suggesting for a moment that men don't have an overwhelming physical advantage in most sports. I'm merely arguing that gender should not determine which events athletes are allowed to compete in.
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  17. Gordy

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    said Andrew Ward
    You are similar to Oscar, ( who admitted that he was on both sides of this one).
    Golf requires:
    as well.
    So golf is a sport, and we can all :stfu and get on to something else.:bash
    Gordy
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  18. Oscar

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    I think it was Earnest Hemingway that said:

    Mountaineering and Motorsport are sports, the rest are games..
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  19. Robert

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    Golf SUCKS..
    As a matter of fact, the local racetrack is being tore up so a "community" with its own private golf course can be built, like LI needs another one.
    That racetrack was there for 75 years, had some historic significance...Back in the days, the good ole boys had a rally going through the local towns. Then some spectators were killed, so they built the track. Now its going, going.......
    The year I learned to ride, they stopped using it, and having the Penguin Road Racing School there.
    Golf SUCKS....ASS!!!
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  20. Aurelius

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    I had a colleague once who argued that all sporting events could be divided into two categories: circular and linear. Circular sports would include things like auto racing (on a closed loop track), tennis, Jai Alai, and other racket sports. Linear sports might include marathon running, golf, etc. His conclusion was that only linear sports were any good because in circular sports you always end up where you started, so that in the end nothing had really been achieved. :rofl :rofl :rofl
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