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Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by ak_diane, Aug 16, 2012.
That's called "personal experience"
A bit of a setting for the story. I live in Norway, I'm Polish though. And as friendly of a country this is, there are quite a few xenophobic assholes. Bell curve rule I guess.
I decided to buy the new water cooled GS. So I sent emails to several dealerships asking for a price calculation on the setup I wanted, the estimated delivery date and how much deposit should I pay to get in line for the bike.
Several dealerships answered professionally in a mater of hours. One responded after 3 or 4 days(email by the manager of the dealership):
Maybe he thought you were in Poland wanting to buy a bike and didn't want to tie up a bike for someone who lived half way across the continent and may not make it all the way to Finland to pick it up.
If that was the case he could have phrased it so it didn't sound so bad.
Things I've heard at dealers over the years that I found entertaining:
Me: What kind of deal will you make me on this bike?
Dealer: What's it say on the tag?
Me: I have done my research and know I can buy this bike for $xxxx
Dealer: That's below my cost. I can only go $200 off MSRP.
Me: Do you still have the used ZX-6R?
Dealer: No, it's sold, but we have a Ninja 650, it's got a bigger engine in it for less money.
Me: $10,000 is a lot of money for a used GS with 92,000 miles
Dealer: They aren't broken in until they hit 100,000 miles
Me: I'd love to have another Ducati, but the maintenance is a pain
Dealer: You don't really need to do it that often unless you are racing
Standing in the Honda display area at the N.A. motorcycle show talking to their um, er, "sales person" about the new 500's. Noticed alot of actvity around the new CB1100. When I mentioned I really liked it, he went full in and informed me it was liquid cooled...:huh... I said, Really? He said, Yup! and pointed to the oil cooler. So sad. I politely explained to him the bike is air cooled and that was an oil cooler. And this is why the heads have these fins on em. This is supposed to be the Mfr's big chance, their big show, to get us all excited and reaching for our wallets. You would think they could at least find a couple reps in each city that know their products. The dood at the KTM display was actually even worse. 100%, Completely phukkin clueless about the product. When I asked about a luggage rack for the 690, he referred me to the accessorie catalog, which they didn't have. Why did they even give this guy a shirt? What an embarrassment for KTM. Really sad..:eek1
Or at least know the difference between air and water cooling...:huh
That is really sad...but hey, on the bright side, they probably paid him peanuts to stand there all day.
Well last I knew oil was a liquid. The early GSXR's were considered liquid cooled, and did so with oil and a large oil cooler, and a huge oil pump. The new Watercooled BMW boxer, mainly cools the head, and relies on air cooling for the cylinders. The oil heads used the same principle, cool the heads with oil, and the Cyl with air.
And technically ALL are air cooled, the water or oil only transfer the heat to a radiator, which an oil cooler is, and air is required to remove that heat. The water does not actually do any cooling, just provides transportation of heat.
They don't get paid. The locals are volunteers.
Glad to know my FWD F150 is air cooled.
If you doubt me, tell you what, put a big sheet of cardboard over the radiator and go for a drive
No way, it would block the water flow.
Exactly why you see radiator shields on a lot of diesels (pick ups), to restrict the air flow. Allows for the engine to heat more quickly and maintain heat.
Who are trying to impress? If you pulled your head out of your ass you'd realize just what I meant.
My XR has oil in it but is listed as an air cooled bike, as are hundreds of other bikes. Tell ya what, you should go bitch to all the vehicle manufactures in the world that sell vehicles with radiators and set them straight. Then maybe I'll start using that description.
Ugh...dealers. I've only been riding for a year and have decided I don't like dealers. I tend to do my research (extensively) before I purchase because I like to know what I'm spending my hard earned money on.
so lets see in the last year
massive motorcycle mega mall in so cal:
1) swore that the stock tire for the Magna was great and long lasting (about 6,000 miles). I ended up getting some tires that would do at least 12,000.
2) When looking for gear for my girlfriend they pointed us to their women's section, about 2 or 3 racks (in a mega mall that prided themselves on being big :huh). Went to a different store that carried a lot more choices for women's gear
Dealer & motorsports store down the street from my house:
1) Told me the cheap winter gloves w/o armor would protect my hands as much and work far better than a pair of winter gloves with armor because armor adds seams that water can get thru. Went else where and got gloves with armor and water has never got in.
2) When my girl and I went to sit on bikes to see what I should get next I asked for an FZ6 (I knew they had it) The sales man pulled out a fully faired sportbike and in my mind Im thinking "what the heck is that?" (I didn't know about the new r model and I don't like fully dressed bikes, even my FZ6 is bordering on too much) I ended up pointing out the correct bike to the sales man who said he didn't even know they had it. Turns out the FZ6R and the older FZ6 is quite different.
3) Went to get a chain. Asked for a 118 link 530 (didn't know I had to buy a 120, a 1st time noob). The sales man goes to get it and when he comes back I confirm that it's a 118 which he replies yes. I get home and cant figure out why the heck its so loose. When I call the shop back I find out that they dont sell chains with 118 links, they come in 120 links. With a bit more digging since they aren't in the mood of giving info I find out they will cut the chain down to size for free. They couldn't have told me this while I was there asking if it was the right length???
End of story: Every time I need parts, to try on gear (or buy it) or tires put on I go to Chaparral. Each time I need something I check the stores closer and end up out there anyways so I just skip the other stores. They have always had parts even once when the yamaha dealer didn't even have the part I needed. They don't care if I work on my bike right there and they are helpful (tho my 1st experience with their customer service sucked, I was completely ignored)
Dumbest post of 2013 so far.
^^^ + 99K ^^^ Like we really needed a lecture on the physics of heat transfer.
That is my philosphy also. Like em all and will enjoy riding absolutley anything. I do notice a change in attitude when at HD dealers on something besides their product. I was in complete disagreement with how HD handled Buell so after they parted ways I got rid of the HD and bought another Buell. I now try to stop at every HD dealer I can on it........just because.
Stocks HD in Manitowac WI sells New HD and Victory. Interesting choice. Can also get new Hurqvarna there as well. At least you could recently.
need less sand in the nether regions
1a- 6,000 miles is a long time for some people. 2x as long as knobby tires on a strom, 3+ years for how most ride.
2a- depending on which source you quote, women make up 10-30 % of motorcyclists. Considering that not all will wear gear, less than 10-30% of the store is reasonable. Glad you found a place with better selection. Here the biggest dealer around might have a rack for dirt and a rack for street. Although it has gotten better than it was a few years ago. Bigger is not necessarily better.
1b- no excuse for this one. I know it can be difficult to find winter gloves with armor due to the bulk. I chalk it up to poor training on gear.
2b- Unless you specifically ask for the used blue fz6 that you saw on cycle trader, don't get upset when they show you the replacement model. Yes they are different, not his fault
3b- also likely a training issue, I would think that most people who are replacing their own chain would also have a chain breaker. I know its wrong to assume, but I bet thats what happened.
Somebody poop in your Cheerios this morning??
Just adding to the useless blather, with a little food for thought.