Thinking about a new Rubi

Discussion in 'Shiny Things' started by rodhersh, Dec 27, 2012.

  1. rodhersh

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    I'm thinking about a new Rubicon. Has Jeep get their issues with the 3.6 heads sorted out? Anything else a guy needs to be aware of? I would like a 2 door with a stick.

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  2. RxZ

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    Don't all the Jeeps have a 100,000 mile power-train warranty? I wouldn't let the head "issue" stop me from getting one. This is probably more a case of the bad events get reported more than the good.

    That said, if I had the finances for it, I would get exactly what you want today. :1drink
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  3. BigIron

    BigIron Tenured Prof - Leghump U.

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    Bueller to the white courtesy phone...
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  4. ivel_86

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    I read a bunch about them because I was thinking about getting one after this last deployment. As far as I read the head issue has been sorted. I know they had an update and than ended up putting new heads on I think the left side. EIther way I think it would be worth the risk. They are great rigs.
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  5. DLFLHT

    DLFLHT I'm a little fuzzy

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    I've been looking too, but I would get a '13 just to be on the safe side.
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  6. Hardware02

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    Hold out for the oil burner...


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  7. Bueller

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    Just bought wrangler #6 two weeks ago, a '13 unlimited Rubicon. Head issues are supposed to be sorted. My trade was my '09 rubicon 2 door. In October I did a 4500 mile trip to Moab and back, and beat it to death while I was there. I've loved having Wranglers since 1994, but I really gained a lot of appreciation for them as a result of that experience.
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  8. Rogue_Ryder

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    What's that gonna cost? $50K? too much $$ for me.
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  9. Bueller

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    Don't bother. All industry indicators and gossip say it isn't coming for at least two more model years, maybe as many as 4 model years (if ever). Prior to the release of the gas 3.6 there was a good argument for a diesel, but not so much anymore. The gas 3.6 gets 21 mpg hwy and has plenty of power. An oil burner would need to get 28 mpg hwy just to offset the difference in fuel cost in the USA, and that doesn't account for the potential difference in maintenance costs. I am a big fan of diesels and was originally trained on them when I went to tech school, and I agree the Wrangler is an ideal platform for the power curve of a comparatively low revving diesel. But we have our heads so far up our own asses with respect to diesels here in the states there just isn't any gain in economy in a Wrangler platform.
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  10. rodhersh

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    I would buy a diesel in a heartbeat...but I've been saying that for 15 years. The wife and I test drove a 2012 and I was very impressed with how civilized the Wrangler has become as the last Jeep I drove was a CJ5. We also drove an FJ and I can't belive that I'm saying this but the Rubi kicked it's ass.
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  11. rodhersh

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  12. Bueller

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    The Rubicon also kicks it's ass in off road capability, 4wd system, and believe it or not, resale value.
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  13. Krabill

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    A friend of mine just sold his FJ for a 4 door Unlimited. He says the Jeep is a MUCH better vehicle than the FJ was.
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  14. RedRocker

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    This ^^^^^
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  15. Hardware02

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    I posted that more to stir up shite than seriously suggest the OP actually await the arrival of a diesel Wrangler on NA shores...the Wrangler's on the short list as Mrs. Hardware's next vehicle and unless they actually have diesels on the lot when we're in the final stages of selection, we won't hold off to await the smokers.

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  16. RedRocker

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    I waited for years, went with an 06 LJ. Fuel has gotten so high it's just not worth it anymore.
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  17. rodhersh

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    As much as I love the Cummins in my Dodge, I'm not under any delusion that we'll see one in a Wrangler anytime soon. Unfortunately we're being governed by imbeciles.
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    :huh

    I'm not biased either way, I've owned as many Jeeps as I have Toyotas, but unless the build quality on the JK has come WAY UP in the last couple years, I find that hard to believe. While I haven't owned an FJ I have owned a 4th gen 4runner (shares the platform with the FJ) and the 'yota engine is way better than the old 3.7 Jeep engine and body integrity is much better. I've seen rust on 2 year old JKs and my 04 4runnner didn't have have a spec of surface rust on the under carriage!

    Now fun factor on a Jeep is WAY better than any 'yota and stock vs stock a JK is way more off road capable than the FJ.
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  19. redsport

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    I will bet you get people on both sides of this one. The engine in the JK was the 3.8 until 2012 and is now the Pentastar 3.6. (The 3.7 was in the Jeep Liberty). And if you do a search on this forum you will find threads on Toyota frame replacements due to rust.
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  20. Bueller

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    They are close to being tied in engine performance, with a slight edge to the Jeep. The Wrangler has 25 more horsepower (285 vs 260), while the FJ has 11 ft lbs more torque (271 vs 260). But in order to get that horsepower in the jeep you really have to wind it up, as max horsepower is at 6400 RPM. The Wrangler does get slightly better mileage.

    When it comes to comparing vehicles like an FJ to a Wrangler, people tend to love what they love. Lots of loyalty in both camps. But objectively speaking, while the nod in build quality might go to the Toyota I have not found the Wrangler lacking at all in this respect. And I've beat my previous Wranglers enough to expose weaknesses.

    While you can save $2500 buying a nicely equipped MT 4 x 4 FJ over a 4 door Rubicon, there simply is no comparison in features and off road capability. The Rubicon wins hands down, especially if the vehicle is going to actually be used off road. The 4:1 transfer case, electric sway bar disconnect, and front & rear diff lockers would cost a hell of a lot of money to install in an FJ.
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