Thinking about a new Rubi

Discussion in 'Shiny Things' started by rodhersh, Dec 27, 2012.

  1. rodhersh

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    My test drive in the FJ was an eye opening experience. We owned a 2003 4 Runner and I have to say it's the best vechicle I've ever owned. I would still have it if it wasn't for a texting teenage girl running a light broadsiding the wife & kids. Everyone walked away so it's all good.

    I just knew I wanted an FJ, until I drove it. I like the platform, but the ergonomics are so poor it's unbelievable. There is no way I can turn my 16 year old son loose in a vechicle you simply can not see out of. I would have lane change issues in the thing much less the wife and son.

    I drove the Jeep as an afterthought. I knew I would hate it...except it was good, very good. We are so used to bashing American cars that we don't give them a fair evaluation. My 05 Ram has been completely trouble free despite using it hard towing our 35' 5th wheel toybox up and down the Rocky Mtns.
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  2. Nailhead

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    I have heard that automatic transmission failures are endemic to certain model years of FJ's, also.
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  3. Hardware02

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    I never heard that.

    Mechanically (drive-train wise) to the Tacoma, there can be issues with the clutch master cylinders on the MT rigs and the 4.0L engines can have a ticking noise on idle (mine (Taco) ticked).
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  4. DLFLHT

    DLFLHT I'm a little fuzzy

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    We test drove the FJ too. I wanted to like it because it would address my concerns about Jeep reliability. One quick drive and the FJ was out - that thing is like driving around in a cave! I wouldn't drive one no matter how capable or reliable they are. I'm amazed they've been in production this long without a redesign to fix the visibility issues.
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  5. Grainbelt

    Grainbelt marginal adventurer Super Moderator

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    I think this thread has reached the point where I typically mention the Xterra.

    Carry on. :lol3
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  6. rodhersh

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    I drove the Xtrerra Pro 4X. It's OK. I would buy one before I bought an FJ. The Nissan also has an independent front suspension with an open differential. On the plus side you can get a 6 speed with part time 4WD.

    I would really rather have the Jeep.
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  7. Bueller

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    Similarly priced to the FJ, with similar overall performance. Not in the same league as a Rubicon.
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  8. rodhersh

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    Xterras are cheaper than a FJs. Around here Toyotas go pretty close to sticker. $2k-$3k off is about all you'll get. So with the upgrade pkg & convenience pkg around $32k. A Pro 4x with a 6 speed can be had for $25-$26k. Our local Nissan dealer currently has an automatic on their website for $27k. I could have bought a 6 speed Thanksgiving weekend for $25k.
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    I doubt I'll come close to a Rubicon equipped the way I want for Nissan money.
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  9. Bueller

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    No, not for that money. But if you want to forego the mygig, leather interior, remote start, and other stuff you don't need, a Rubicon doesn't have to cost 40 grand either.
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  10. rodhersh

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    Equipped the way I want will sticker for $35k. There are still a few 2012's around as well. I do want side curtain airbags and haven't seen one on the lot yet so equipped.
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  11. Bueller

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    If it stickers for $35 it's light on options, which means not as much markup. You'll pay about $33, maybe a bit less.

    Nearly half of them around here have those extra air bags. They are an extra $500 I didn't want to spend.
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  12. SR1

    SR1 Back in S. Korea

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    I have a 2013 Sahara on order to be delivered here in Korea around mid-Feb I hope. There's a 2012 on site here but decided to wait because of the head issue. I can't wait to receive it...loved it in the test ride. Seems like a much better vehicle than they used to be.
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  13. rodhersh

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    And now your going to rub it in by telling us all that you ordered the diesel. Congats on the new Jeep!
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  14. discochris

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    I have a 2012 Wrangler Sport 2 door. I absolutely love it. I'd wanted a Jeep for years, and I've test drove every iteration since the YJ. This is the first one that I knew that I'd want as a daily driver. The Pentastar made all the difference for me.

    Mine is pretty bare bones. My only question on the Rubicon is do you plan on doing some serious off-roading/climbing? If not, you could easily get by with a Sahara or Sport. Either will be more capable than 95% of the vehicles on the road today. Otherwise you're paying for the name and for features you likely won't ever use.
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  15. rodhersh

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    Yes, I plan on wheeling it. We live in Colorado and there are lots of ghost towns to explore and passes to climb. Moab is a days drive and the Red Desert in Wyoming is 1/2 day away. I'm not planning on any hard-core rock crawling but when you’re several hours from a paved road and need a locker...you need a locker. If I bought a Sport I would add everything the Rubi gives you... the gears and the lockers. It seems to me that it's more cost effective to get those things installed by the factory...with a warranty. This way all I need is a lift, tires, wheels, and bumpers. I already have a winch.

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  16. Bueller

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    It's not just the gears and lockers. If you are spending any time in Moab you will really come to appreciate the auto sway bar disconnect and 4:1 transfer case of the rubicon. Since you intend to lift and run bigger tires the D44 up front means you don't have to sleeve/gusset the front axle.

    Yes, the rubicon costs a good bit more than a stripped sport. But you get a lot of equipment for the money, not even considering the additional interior options. Living where you do and having that much great off roading that close I wouldn't consider anything else.
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  17. rodhersh

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    Yup, now I just need to find one
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  18. Carlo Muro

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    that's what I thought too but then I found this. Even though it's Carmax this is supposed to be Brand New. What's wrong with it that I don't see?

    http://www.carmax.com/enus/view-car...+398+9&Q=7581b0c7-af96-4ed0-86f7-9e4e40aee442

    are they discounting manuals that much??
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  19. skysailor

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    I'm after just the basic Wrangler Sport, two door, hard top with a standard tranny. Black please. Test drove one and really liked it.
    Lyle
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  20. DLFLHT

    DLFLHT I'm a little fuzzy

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    That's a good price. I've been watching here and can beat that by a little. They are selling base Rubicons with the hardtop for $28,890 (it stickers for $32,485 or $895 more than that one). It's tempting.
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