This ATGATT thing made me wonder...

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by markk53, Feb 28, 2009.

  1. Effervescent

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  2. Philander

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    If there is any highway involved:

    Olympia AST hi-viz jacket
    Shoei full face helmet
    gloves
    Sidi boots
    Joe Rocket Ballistic overpants
    All of this no matter what the temp is. From 0c to about 15c I wear a liner in the AST and have winter gloves.
    From 15c to 30c I STILL wear all the gear, I just open all the ventilation and sweat alot

    Local streets in my town:

    Cloth 'casual' motorcycle jacket with armour
    full face
    gloves
    Sidi boots
    jeans

    I have only ridden once without the gloves. I just felt really exposed, as there are no handguards on my 650CS. Rode once in shoes instaed of boots and just didn't feel very comfortable.

    On the other hand, I'm a volunteer firefighter and have seen what happens to people who wipe out at even medium speeds, say 40-70km/h. Not pretty and not something I want to experience
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  3. artyboy

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    Full face helmet, boots, gloves, jacket and jeans minimum. I just got a pair of Cortech riding pants with the leather liners and knee pucks. I usually wear those.
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  4. LuciferMutt

    LuciferMutt Rides slow bike slow

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    Armored boots, armored pants, armored jacket, full face helmet and thick leather gloves.

    I Never go without ATG; everything is indispensable. The least amount is everything I just listed.

    Comfort from the elements
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  5. d'Artagnan1

    d'Artagnan1 Been here awhile

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  6. Kootenai Rider

    Kootenai Rider Gentleman of Liesure

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    I'm a newer rider and have not ridden ATGATT here in my first year when street riding, and having since joined ADV here recently, I am kicking myself for that after reading all of these first hand accounts, and the "what is the strangest thing you've hit/almost hit" thread. I've always ridden in helmet, gloves, and decent jacket, but not consistent elsewhere. I am reconsidering all that. I finally got off my butt and bought a good street helmet (Arai XD) and though I've had a Tourmaster jacket, I am looking at the Kihlamajaro or Scorpion Jacket, and some better street pants. I usually wear my Fly Racing MX pants, but those do not offer much protection on the street.

    Riding offroad bikes I am always geared up with all the MX gear, (knee/elbow protection,KBC helmet, goggles, gloves, Thor boots,Fly chest protector, Fly racing pants) So I wondered why I haven't geared up as much on road. I have changed that.

    Reading this thread though, I see a lot of mention of gearing up less for those short trips. Isn't the statistics about auto accidents something about how most auto accidents happen within just a few miles of the house? (You are statistically more likely to be near your house and let your guard down as they are familiar surroundings. ) So doesn't stand to say that you shouldn't lighten up the gear even/especially on those short trips?

    --Paul
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  7. DAKEZ

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    It is a statistic. Most people never ride more than a few miles from their house. Everyone leaves and goes back to their house...

    Of course it is going to be higher.

    That said, I am ATG even on the short trips.
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  8. Dolly Sod

    Dolly Sod I want to do right, but not right now

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    The reality for me, and I'm sure it is similar for a lot of people is that on a typical day I am rarely farther than 20 miles from my house. My wife has me beat as she's typically 5 miles from the house. If that 5-20 mile circle is where we do the majority of our driving, then of course most of our auto accidents are going to happen 5-20 miles from our house.
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  9. DBrentMiller

    DBrentMiller Sojourn Chronicles

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    After writing my series of searching for the perfect riding pants, I decided to add a new poll to my web site: What Motorcycle Gear Do You Wear?

    I added the poll this morning. My readers are not all Adv Riders. The one split is on the pants armored pants vs. jeans. You can vote at www.SojournChronicles.com. The March Poll question is in the right hand column. It's not scientific, but it is an indication.
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  10. Human Ills

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    Helmet, Kilamanjaro Hi-viz (love it), Firstgear pants (love them), gloves and work boots.

    I'll wear jeans if I'm staying in town.
    I feel way more comfortable geared up.
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  11. PWRCRZR

    PWRCRZR Grumpy Old Bastard

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    I always where a full face, sunglasses or clear glasses for eye protection when visor is up, gloves, jacket, riding boots or lace up leather boots. Riding pants when out riding around or trippin. If I am just going to work I go with just jeans.

    So riding pants are my only weak spot.
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  12. rpclark

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    My bare minimum is 3/4 helmet, snap-on face shield, jean-jacket- even at 100 deg, light leather gloves, jeans and boots. Even very minor tips suck without gear.
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  14. markk53

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    Members Only... hee hee hee... :lol3 I got it...

    What? No reinforced parachute pants?:rofl
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  15. markk53

    markk53 jack of all trades...

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    Yeah, I pointed that out when talking helmet use in another ATG thread. Caught hell because I will ride in shorts and tee. Not without a helmet and not without gloves. The helmet is the main protection for the most vital organ, the gloves keep the black crap from the grips off my hands.

    Again, I know I should wear more. I won't rationalize it. I will say I ride differently when covered less. A bit slower and more heightened attention (if that's possible) when reacting to drivers. I'll slow sooner and such. Still, not justification for less gear.

    When I go to races I either have shorts in the back pack or under my pants. A coat is almost always on for any longer riding, if for nothing else than to have sun protection.

    Back to statistics, really it doesn't matter where most riding is done, the fact remains a motor vehicle operator is most likely to be in a crash within 25 miles of home. Therefore it makes most sense to wear, at a minimum, the full face helmet for that most vital area - your skull and brain - and, contrary to what I sometimes do, wear the most protective gear then too.

    I'm thinking more and more. I know I don't ride in shorts near as often as I used to for that very reason.

    By the way there was a magazine, probably Cycle, that did some testing of materials with a rig the set up on the back of a truck. It would drop a bag filled with powder (flour or chalk) and covered with the test material. The results were pretty amazing. You were better off to run without a coat if your coat was simply single layer nylon, the nylon could melt into your skin. Elbow, shoulder, and back pads make that less an issue now. New denim would wear through quicker than worn denim, the worn denim apparently was smoother and slid better. Obviously the light thinner dress leather didn't wear as well as full motorcycle leather.

    The results kind of went with nylon trashing out first in about maybe 5 feet (all this is guesstimate by memory), new denim went about 10 feet, old denim went about 18 feet, I think they may have tested Kevlar, but I forget. Dress leather went about maybe 25 feet, and motorcycle leather went like 43+feet. Now this was a direct drag with no rocking around like a rider might do. It was on an abrasive paved road. It wasn't overly scientific, but the results made sense. Maybe I'll try to see if I could find that article again. Regardless, leather was king with heavier fabric being second.
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  16. Mr. 0

    Mr. 0 Been here awhile

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    Here's a link to that abrasion test. Someone just happened to post a link to it on another board a week or so ago. It was Cycle that conducted the test

    It's an interesting read. I'd like to see it updated to test some of the newer textiles that are in riding gear today.

    http://www.trainwreckstudios.net/abrasion/
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  17. markk53

    markk53 jack of all trades...

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    So would I. I will make this a favorite. Good information though.

    Shows how piss poor memory can be though.
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  18. DBrentMiller

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    That was a very interesting read. But, I would have liked to see a little more about their methodology for testing. Here's what I'm thinking:

    If a rider goes off the bike at 60 mph, he/she does not slide continually at 60 mph until the fabric wears through. They are probably going 60 mph only at the moment they hit the pavement. From that point, they are slowing down dramatically until they come to a stop. The study above does not appear to account for this variable. I think the studies suggest that leather and kevlar fabrics are better. I certainly would not dismiss the studies, but a better method of testing is probably warranted.

    The poll I am taking on my web site is very close 50/50 armored pants vs. jeans. I should have thrown leather into my poll. Remember, my poll is not scientific, but rather a survey of interested readers.

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  19. markk53

    markk53 jack of all trades...

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    Back then they basically owned up to the lack of scientific nature and more to the sheer curiousity. I guess they couldn't get any volunteers to slide off the back of the truck.

    Still, I think most any falling object would slide pretty close to whatever speed they departed at for at least the first ten to twenty feet in close to one position... and that's plenty of time for those general clothing fabrics to crap out. That was part of their thought process. They also wanted to see how some of the "motorcycle" quality materials wore.

    I didn't read the whole posted articles, but I can remember that the problem with most fabric was that they are uniform in grain pattern, making them susceptable to ripping once an opening occurs. Leather has no grain pattern per se and usually won't rip once a hole forms. That was why the motorcycle quality leather would do better than Kevlar or the heavier synthetic fibers. Still, it is good to know that those fabric motorcycle outfits aren't that bad, especially when additional armor is present in impact and slide areas. That the material will probably hold up fairly well considering a downed rider won't usually slide in one set position.

    From what I've seen the article is accurate in the general conclusions. I've seen nonmotorcycle gear wear through in no time where motorcycle gear wil protect very well. Happened to a friend who went down in a corner when his front wheel washed out on glass bead from the road line painting process. He was doing about 60 mph, sliding only about 30-40 feet. His nylon jacket pretty much shreded and slid up his arm, his gloves held up, and his jeans did okay. He had major road rash on one forearm. If he'd had on a bit heavier coat with positive closure sleeves instead of knit cuffs he might not have had quite the injury. But he got treated and we continued on our merry way.
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  20. Human Ills

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    oh yeah, I'll wear sneakers to the video store, too. I promise I won't make you tend to me if I drop the bike on my foot, mmmkay?


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