This picture got me thinking, Front wheel drive Hack

Discussion in 'Hacks' started by Ricardo Kuhn, Dec 8, 2009.

  1. Ricardo Kuhn

    Ricardo Kuhn a.k.a. Mr Rico Suave

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    I know almost nothing about sidecars so i'm sorry if this is just a stupid idea, but a front wheel drive Hacks makes kind of sense to me.

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    Maybe a three wheel drive will be the ultimate snow machine.
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  2. vortexau

    vortexau Outside the Pod-bay

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    Such as using THIS for a front & rear drive combination tug?

    http://www.rokonworld.com/amk2.gif

    http://www.rokonworld.com/history.html

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    In 2008 - The addition of front suspension:
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  3. Ricardo Kuhn

    Ricardo Kuhn a.k.a. Mr Rico Suave

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    Actually From what i can see this guys used a different trick, somehow popular in the "Rockcrawler" community.

    The comcept is actually pretty simple, they take a small "Transverse" engine and tranny (from a front wheel drive car) mount it longitudinal behind the driver seat (center of mass of the vehicle) and use one of the half shafts (left or right depends in how the engine and output shaft spines) to send power to a rear differential (Actually a "Locker") and do the same for the front wheels, ending up with a 4 wheel drive vehicle.

    Notice how the "Motorcycle" is moved to the left side of the driveline and the substantial "Box" structure where the shafts will be house.
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    At least that is how it looks (To me) from the pictures Richard post.

    Also Notice the "3x3" sticker in the back of the chair. (I think that is what it is)
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  4. sidebike

    sidebike Adventurer

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    It is a Vogel 3 wheel drive made in France. I am thinking may be it's made from parts of, or a modify 4X4 ATV

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  5. BMWzenrider

    BMWzenrider The Road Scholar

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    HEY!!! Someone has been peeking at my design boards!!! :gun2

    Seriously, I have been working on some sketches and early layouts of a design for a 2-wheel or 3-wheel-drive sidecar where the sidecar frame is used to hang all three wheels/suspensions off of. :becca

    My powerplant of choice, of course, was going to be an oilhead boxer BMW. And I see that they this Vogel rig has already been mated to an Airhead.

    The frame looks to me to be all custom fabrication, and the hubs/axles look like automotive front-wheel-drive half-shaft units. Smart-Car perhaps???

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    Cannot seem to find many other photos or details about the rigs. The builder is listed on several websites listing sidecar manufacturers in France, but there is no website or email address for them, and they all date back to 2007.

    Are they still around???
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  6. muschelschubser

    muschelschubser Been here awhile

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    Not Smart, 2CV!
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  7. Ricardo Kuhn

    Ricardo Kuhn a.k.a. Mr Rico Suave

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    I think I have a interesting question..

    How about just running A-arms mount from the main frame to the wheels, Front and maybe even the tub wheel with steering and the rear one fix straight...??

    Sounds kind of logical to me since all the power stems from the massive rigid frame already.

    Please tell me what you guys think.
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  8. BMWzenrider

    BMWzenrider The Road Scholar

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    Do you mean like this???

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    High/Low range chaincase, reversing gearbox, and a viscous coupling to allow differential rotation between the two drive axles.

    Mobec Superdrive from Germany...

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  9. BMWzenrider

    BMWzenrider The Road Scholar

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    Simpler version of a Mobec 2-wheel-drive unit.

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    Direct drive out of the BMW final drive, no reverse, no high/low range, but does have viscous coupling to allow differential rotation of wheels while cornering.

    Aluminum box is a 1:1 chain-case to transfer power forward, allowing for proper sidecar wheel lead.
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  10. Ricardo Kuhn

    Ricardo Kuhn a.k.a. Mr Rico Suave

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    Oh Yeah that is exactly what I'm taking about, actually even farder than I spect it.

    I just hate to ask how many bundles of $40,000 bills such a beauty is going to cost.

    Thanks for posting.
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  11. Ricardo Kuhn

    Ricardo Kuhn a.k.a. Mr Rico Suave

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    Now for one more challenge..

    Why does the engine need to be in the conventional location if you are making a sidecar specific chassis including the "Motorcycle frame"

    Refer to Bob Pelican super wonderful Wanker power yellow monster that he name "Roto Hack" for example
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    Sure if you have a set up like this in the dirt, you will spend the whole time looking at stars not only do to the power but the vias center of mass.
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  12. windmill

    windmill Long timer

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    Here is their web site;
    http://www.mobec-international.com/index2.php

    I got some prices from them a couple of years ago.

    As the saying goes,"if You have to ask, You cant afford it". Over $16K for their most basic unit. +bike +bike mods +tub +frame +paint +lights +++++

    If I ever win the lottery.......
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  13. Ricardo Kuhn

    Ricardo Kuhn a.k.a. Mr Rico Suave

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    Man this guys are brilliant, thanks a million for the link.

    just look how clean this "Front fork" is build.
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  14. SamM

    SamM Jeep Overlander

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    Mobec also makes a 2WD conversion for the KTM 950 Adv. It's listed on their site anyway. I contacted them awhile back about buying the parts to convert my 950. They wanted $30,000+ and needed me to ship my 950 to Germany. :huh Apparently, it's not a bolt-on! :lol3

    I'd love to buy the parts. Not happening!

    SamM
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  15. HogWild

    HogWild Scott Whitney

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    Ricardo, here's another rear engine sidecar for you, 2WD Mitsubishi:

    http://www.seehey-dakar.de

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  16. Ricardo Kuhn

    Ricardo Kuhn a.k.a. Mr Rico Suave

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    Wow, what a lawnmower...:bow

    How does it Jump, well how it land is what I like to know.:loco
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  17. R_W

    R_W wannabe

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    You could not pay me enough to be a sidecar monkey...:bow

    All wheel drive makes complete sense to me on ANY vehicle. It is just how to do it reliably and without a huge weight penalty.
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  18. Ricardo Kuhn

    Ricardo Kuhn a.k.a. Mr Rico Suave

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    Well I used to do this when i was young and strong and i will love to be a Monke, Specially with somebody as skillful as Scott, but sadly I'm to wasted after years of doing really stupid stuff, in short motorcycles are pretty much the safes thing I have ever done..
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    Yeah even on the track.:raabia

    Can you imagine a three wheel drive Subaru WRX engine mounted property on a sidecar, Oh man I get scare just thinking about it.
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  19. HPJeep

    HPJeep Owner of a pig iron bike

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    Nice M38!
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  20. Richard-NL

    Richard-NL Sidecar Fan

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    Confusing isn't it? :lol3


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