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Discussion in 'British Beasts: Triumph Tigers' started by phillipsrog, Sep 17, 2012.
Well it is after you've spent £1176 on the suspension.
Couldn't agree more though still haven't decided on the best/ most cost effective option.
I had a problem with the stepper motor with my FI scooter after a weeks worth of Noah's flood and my Engineer brother who is also an XC owner said " WD-40 is your friend " and it turned out to be so.
Check out GuiltyParty's curtain fix. Triumph certainly aren't interested.
Go here for that---> http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=877576&page=38
Ah yes, that was the one that got dropped off a cliff and drowned in a river.
Looking good now, eh?
Yea, and the new Johnny5 is lookin' gooood!
That was my favorite soap opera following their saga...
I have been reading through this thread because I have been shopping and researching my next bike purchase. I believe that it will be the 800xc but there are a couple of things that I haven't seen talked about in this thread(or lightly touched on). My closest dealer will be 4hrs away in Denver co. How hard are these bikes to work on? I'm fairly mechanically inclined and have done mostly everything on my xr650r other than internal engine work. The other thing I'm curious about is reliability. I want a bike I can change oil on and ride. Not a bike that requires constant tinkering. I just want to put on miles and not ware out my tools. Is this that kind of bike? Thanks for your insight. Ben
P.S. On a side note about the seats. Last year I did a ride on my xr650r through the San Juan mountains from grand junction co that ended up being 12hrs and 320mi (120mi of dirt and 200mi slab). While my ass was sore I felt proud like I was some kind of badass!! ( sorry just had to share that with a group that would understand)
They are absolutely rock solid. As good as any jap bike IMO. And I've owned a lot of bikes and a bazillion miles.
I have done nothing to my Tiger but ride it, now right at about 13k miles, all touring, about 10% dirt roads.
A few have had some problems though, and the dealer network is generally good. This is a premium brand, so they tend to be Ducati dealers or something similar and have good techs. I would hate to see anyone buy any bike and then have problems and have to get it to a dealer.
Also a good network of owners here to help DIY.
A few used ones are popping up and I wouldn't hesitate to recommend one in good shape. They are pretty hard to break. A few of the guys sure try though.
Maintenance is no different to any other bike. The only slightly tricky/difficult thing is reshimming the valves every 12K miles because the shims are under the buckets BUT I've not heard of many, if any at all, that have needed any shims. Certainly mine hasn't.
Apart from that it's straight forward. Although IMO the plastics around the tank and radiator are fiddly with too many screws.
There are a few screws, but when you break them, they are cheap to replace. Around $30-50 a piece.
If I realized they had a matte 3M protective wrap for the matte green paint, which they do, I would have done that in a heartbeat. As it stands with a few dents and scratches with a rust spot, I'm probably going to get a new tank someday. I think that was $800...
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I'll start by saying that I really enjoy the Tiger and think its a great bike, when it starts and runs. As for buying another, I don't think so.
2 year old, $12,000 bike with 12,000 miles and every start is, cross your fingers and hope you get to go for a ride. I'm having the "random no start" issues with the Tiger. Happened yesterday at the dealership. Two great mechanics with 40+ years of experience finally got it running and on the street again but some lube on a linkage is a bandaid at best. Will it run, probably, but a true adventure bike it is not. When a little dust causes as much havoc as it does on the Tiger, you lose confidence in it pretty quick. Triumph clearly knows there is a solid design flaw with this bike and does nothing to correct the issue.
I know that everyone loves their Tigers, I was Triumph's biggest fan, but to be honest with myself (and it hurts to say), I have say Ill be looking for another bike when the time and resources become available.
+1 and I owned two Tigers.
I, along with a few others it seems, have had this issue. In my case, it wasn't a 'little dust' but lots (and lots) of dust. It's not a 'solid design flaw' but something that requires regular maintenance and attention much like oil changes etc.
I think you are making way too much of this. If it bothers you that much, sell your bike and buy another (all of which have THEIR own issues).
Regular maintenance, like an oil change, filters are OK but when the bike does this in the lot of a dealership, after a 12k check (tank off, stepper cleaned, linkages lubed) there's a problem. Not faulting the mechanics or dealer, these bikes have an issue that Triumph needs to address. Not sure everyone wants to mess with this "regular maintenance" half way thru the Dalton or Trans Lab because their adventure bike got a little dusty. Just saying.....
And I say again, I don't think we are talking about a 'little' dust and by regular maintenance, I'm not talking in the middle of a trip (unless you change oil in the middle of a trip ?). If it happens on a trip, there are things you can do (widely documented elsewhere) to deal with the issue that don't involved removing the tank (which I totally agree is a total PIA).
Also, the stepper motor issue never prevents the bike from starting, just idling correctly.
As for Triumph addressing the issue - not likely gonna happen - regular maintenance is the key.
I've been doing the WD-40 thing and occasionally the garden hose for the past 3,000 miles. This wasn't the stepper, this was the linkage between the throttle bodies. I understand the whole idling/stepper issue. Just thinking that a through cleaning and inspection by professionals would have it running like new again. Much better job than can be done trail side with WD.
Just not impressed with the design I guess. Hope your bike keeps running strong, it really is fun to ride
Tonk - Can you please re-cap exactly what the issue is/was with your bike? You mention that it wouldn't start in the parking lot of the dealer after a thorough service / cleaning, but then you say it was the linkage near the throttle bodies. Was this area not inspected / cleaned by the techs? If it was, then it would seem to me that wasn't the problem(?). I'm coming up on my 12k service, and want to make sure I do any preventative maintenance that I can.
That being said, if I had to replace my 800, I'd be hard pressed to find a bike that does exactly what I want of it other than buying another one.
In that case, this is the first I have personally heard of such an issue - I assumed (and we know how that goes...) you were talking about the stepper motor linkage.
I agree though, its a fun bike to ride for sure....
Guess it would make sense to assume it is the linkage on top of the stepper motor. Pretty sure it is. I'll try to remember all the info they talked about but they were mostly trying to get it running and not teach me. Chime in if you guys know more (not hard to know more than me on this).
Tried to find a good pic online to show (don't wanna pull the tank) but just above the boot on the stepper motor, in between the the throttle bodies is a linkage. Guess its safe to say that moves with input from the stepper motor. (Correct me if and when I'm wrong). The tech said this (hooked up to scanner) should have a reading of about 305 (in a range between 0-600, I think). Before the test ride, it showed a 300ish reading and all was well. When it wouldn't start, it was reading 600. Tank comes off again and troubleshooting starts. They invited me back into the shop but I tried to stay out of the way and just listen while they worked on it. Once it was running, they pointed out the linkage and how it was now moving freely. It had already been cleaned and lubed the first time but this second attempt seemed to do the trick. Not sure if they did anything different this time. Scanner showed it back in the 300 range and the bike is running good. Did about 50 miles today with several starts and it seems to be OK.
In the end, they mentioned the use of WD (been using that at times to get it started) and possibly canned air to blow it out instead of water. We talked about how that linkage sits in a vulnerable spot and collects dust and dirt. They also showed me how you can stick a finger way in there and actually pop the linkage free (if you're well endowed in the finger department).
Please feel free to correct, explain or add anything to this. I'd love to learn any tricks that will make this problem become just regular maintenance. I really like the bike and wouldn't mind keeping it around for awhile
Hope some of this helps explain the situation