Tiger 800xc: Questions after test ride

Discussion in 'Land of the Rising Sun: ADV Bikes from Japan' started by JadeRider, Nov 11, 2012.

  1. JadeRider

    JadeRider Been here awhile

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    Howdy,
    I test rode a 2012 Tiger 800xc yesterday. Bike had a about 3000 miles on it. I thought it was a great bike, but there was something rather unusual. Coming from my 2002 R1150GS, it felt like it could not quite keep what I would describe as a 'steady travel speed'. In other words, the beamer feels like a steady pulling freight train, whereas the Tiger felt like had the power coming in bursts. Had a very similar feeling to the Super Tenere I tested a week ago.
    Any suggestions as to what may be behind this? I really like the Tiger and want to purchase one, but I am not sure if this is something inherent to the bike, or something that may have been wrong with this particular one.

    Thanks
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  2. fbj913

    fbj913 On the Beemer Kool-Aid

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    humm, not sure.
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  3. Johno33772

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    Yip...this 1st time I have heard this. I have ridden both bikes at length with Pillion....never had an issue.....
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  4. Yossarian™

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    Another XC owner who has never experienced that. Mine's always been steady as can be.
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  5. yukonjon

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    +1 Maybe have a dealer double check which map is on the bike. Any aftermarket mods without the right map could maybe cause something.

    I had my last triumph Daytona drop a map on me for no reason but def don't have your issue on my new tiger. Still loving it all the way.
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  6. Smopho

    Smopho Been here awhile

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    The Tiger 800 has a very sensitive throttle, could that be what you are feeling? You get used to it after a couple of hundred miles and don't even think of it.
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  7. JadeRider

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    I am thinking that Throttle sensitivity may be the answer. The GS does require quite a bit of dial. Another question. How critical is it that the previous owner 'respected the recommendations' during the break in period? What ill may come if he did not?


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  8. burmbuster

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    Not any different than any other new bike. Is it a demo or a private owner? I would feel better about getting a private owners bike rather than a demo.
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  9. JadeRider

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    This is one sold back to the dealer.
    Thing is I have always followed the prescription on the break in period, so I really have no idea what happens when you do not. :O


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  10. frytown

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    Not sure if this is relevant here, but my T800 (Roadie) was smooth and essentially perfect the first 700 miles. Then, I took it back for the initial check up and they tightened the throttle cable - which made the it really annoyingly sensitive. I haven't done anything about it (mostly due to lack of time) and I'm now about 6K in. When it goes in for service soon I intend to ask them to back off the tension on the cable a little. I liked it when it was new far better than now.

    I had this exact same experience with my 1050 Tiger. Once the tension was adjusted out of the throttle cable (still snug, no play, but not too tight) it was way less touchy.

    Given the one you road was at a dealer I'll be it's the cable. Maybe ask the service dept about it?
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  11. Xcountry-Rider

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    Another Tiger owner not understanding the issue. Its got a very steady power output. It does take a few hundred miles for the hand, mind and throttle to get synchronized properly. Especially coming from BMW which is a lot different. The throttle response on the Tiger is much more immediate.
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  12. Kawidad

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    I have the same opinion coming from an R1000GS. The BMW has power, but it's like riding a tractor. I found the engine to be very agricultural.:deal
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  13. IL8APEX

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    You may just have been riding the bike too much like your GS.

    The little Triumph triples need some RPMs to do their thing. If you were lugging along like on your GS perhaps you were surfing just below the motor's torque curve? I notice this more on my Tiger after riding my Ducati. The Tiger needs more RPMs to accomplish the same task. Plenty of power there if you spin it a little!

    -Tom
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  14. LotusKTM

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    After coming off a Wee, I thought the same thing on my 800 XC. One thing that did help was changing grips. I went with a stickier MX style grip. With the newer grip, the throttle doesn't slip in my glove at all. So the throttle seems smoother now. Of course, 9000 miles of getting used to it also helps.
    But the grips really helped too.
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  15. JadeRider

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    This is a good point. One of the first, best, and cheapest mods I did to the beamer was to add grip puppies.


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  16. Lion BR

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    That's what happens when you jump from a tractor into a motorcycle.

    Now, kidding aside, my bike (800 XC) has never had a "twitchy" or "lumpy throttle" or anything like that which would cause what you described. My Tiger is smooth, accelerates so linearly it borders boredom. Even on gravel it is smooth on acceleration. My 848 Streetfighter was a different animal, more like what you described. Only one person of many has ever mentioned back to me that his 800XC had a "sensitive" throttle so that he needed to adjust his riding for gravel roads (to counter what someone else mentioned on this thread). My guess is that something is wrong with that bike you tested. Either that or you've been riding that BMW for too long. In that case, welcome to the new world. In a few miles you should get adjusted to it and you will notice how smooth this bike really is. Get another test ride and go longer on this next time.
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    I would be curious why the original owner sold the bike back to the dealer with only 3,000 miles on it. Maybe he had the same problem.

    The typical fuel injection bike has a number of sensors that report conditions back to the ecu for the the proper mapping to be used. At steady state riding, it will be relying mostly on the oxygen sensor and the tps.

    Could be an issue with one of them or perhaps the battery was disconnected or replaced. On most bikes when that happens, there is a relearning process that takes place, particularly the TPS. It will reset to the factory set value, but real life riding values may require it to adapt to something different.

    There is usually a procedure to do that and in most cases just riding it allows it to occur.
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    +1
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    After 30,000 miles on the klr I tried to stand up on the tiger. It was comfortable until I gave it gas in first gear, which just about threw me off the back. I don't think there is anything wrong with the bike or throttle, just not used to the power. I do find the throttle to be twitchy, but in a good way.
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    The klr throttle response uses a carrier pigeon between the throttle and engine. The Tiger is much more refined. It becomes normal after you get used to it. Coming from a BMW 650 it took a bit for my brain my hand and the engine to get calibrated. I love it and would never go back. The engine is so sweet.
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