Tiger Tales - Dialling in the 800XC for the dirt

Discussion in 'British Beasts: Triumph Tigers' started by Burren Rider, Jul 6, 2011.

  1. Yossarian™

    Yossarian™ Deputy Cultural Attaché

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    Considering that Triumph lists theirs as a "sump guard", that might tell us a bit about its intended use. As others have pointed out, it is mounted to the engine sump via rubber mounts. It's really not a true skid plate, the kind that mounts to a frame, and upon which you can rest or slide the bike over obstacles. That's not its intended use; it is meant to deflect thrown debris from hitting the sump.
  2. Dubl-A

    Dubl-A SuckerDucker

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    The manual says to wash it :deal

    I still get a stiffy for that new bike shine after a good cleaning :lol3

    Let us know what you come up with I'm interested to see as I'm not too impressed with the stock setup.
  3. btao

    btao RIP Lilolita

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    Let's see where some alcohol and power tools gets us. I'll bring the raw materials... See if you can bribe someone with a welder to come and fix a handicapped kid's wheel chair and then lock the door behind him...

    I have some 1/8" stainless steel and 1/4" aluminum left...The stainless is real slippery...

    I could try and get some PEM stud samples to throw in there if we can't find a welder.

    I"ve even thought about just taking a flat piece of that stainless and bolting it to the stock plate on the bottom. That should take a beating.
  4. Dubl-A

    Dubl-A SuckerDucker

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    ...and hopefully some safety glasses :browhaha
  5. btao

    btao RIP Lilolita

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    If they're handy.

    Speaking of... college... Did you know that a circular saw plus vegetables = Salad?:deal
  6. JBXC

    JBXC Been here awhile

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    I've got the SW Motech and have been pleased so far. Not manga rocks around hear but I have hit it on the ground and tree trunks a bit.
  7. blacktiger

    blacktiger Tigers R great.

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    I've had the SWmotech one for over 20000 miles and have heard lots of stuff pinging off it and it still looks good and is the same shape as when I bought it. IMO a welded one is much harder to straighten out if it does get bent. With rivets you just drill them out, bash the bits straight and re-rivet it all back together.
  8. btao

    btao RIP Lilolita

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    Hmmm. That is a good point....

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  9. BryanCO

    BryanCO CO Rider

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    Happy with the AltRider unit. Have used it on CO passes without incident (so far).
  10. fullmonte

    fullmonte Reformed Kneedragger

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    That's what I did. Works for me.
  11. MotoTex

    MotoTex Miles of Smiles

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    Okay it seems like folks for the most part are ignoring the point that all of these are not designed as skid plates. At best they are protection from rocks thrown by the front wheel. If used as a skid plate you WILL be repairing it or replacing it, and, still could damage the sump.

    I like the idea proposed earlier about an integrated case guard/skid plate that uses frame mounts to make a cage that surrounds the engine and that a true skid plate would attach to. I would love to see someone like Black Dog Cycle Works or AltRider develop something like this that uses hard points on the frame for attachment.

    On dirt bikes riders often put closed-cell foam between the skid plate and the bottom of the engine/frame to prevent mud accumulating. I think on the Tiger that a dense energy-absorbing layer of rubber or something similar could be integrated into the idea for a frame mounted skid plate that spreads the load of a hit across a greater area of the sump. So, that even if it crumples or bends it still won't damage the sump.

    For now I'm happy with the utility the OEM Sump Guard provides, as most of what I need protection from it will handle, and I know not to use it to skid over a fallen tree, rock over boulders, etc. This level of abuse is beyond the design scope of all the current offerings.
  12. btao

    btao RIP Lilolita

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    That about sums it up MotoTex. However, without a better option, we're forced into debate. I want a proper skid plate, so in the rare event I end up teeter tottering on a rock like a few weeks agon in the BTR ride, it won't break shit. I also want to be able to use a paddock stand under the skid plate and not have it wobble around as the thing flexes.

    Also, am I the only one that has damn near annihilated the bracket that mounts the kick stand switch? I really wish the "Skid" plate protected that too.
  13. boinoodle

    boinoodle Old and Cautious

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    It's going to be a rainy weekend so I should be able to spend some time on figuring out a frame mount. Probably start with straightening the sump guard and if I can get some sheet aluminum, have a layer welded onto the bottom of it. Since mine is now being held on with zip ties, it's a high priority. I've raised the bike over 1" and I still trash the guard :eek1
  14. MotoTex

    MotoTex Miles of Smiles

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    I fully expect the entrepreneurial spirit to be ignited in some crafty individual who will offer a product that meets this expectation.

    Rather than throw good money after bad I'll wait for this solution to present itself. Only other choice would be to do it myself, and I prefer someone else to do the fab work, testing, and production.

    Other than that hopefully what I propose as a solution will be the spark for someone with the skills and inclination to accomplish this.
  15. MotoTex

    MotoTex Miles of Smiles

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    Good luck! Looking forward to seeing what you come up with.

    Will Yoyodyne Propulsion be involved in the design? :huh
  16. btao

    btao RIP Lilolita

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    Oh, all the things I would make if I had a CAD model of my tiger....

    I have the drive, but don't have the time...:mully
  17. boinoodle

    boinoodle Old and Cautious

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    It certainly will be, John MoTex
  18. Rob Dirt

    Rob Dirt More or less in line

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    The frame on a dirtbike encompasses the engine. Tigers use the motor for the front of the bike. For a guard to attach to the frame it would look like the body work on a crotch rocket. Might as well drive a jeep.
  19. bross

    bross Where we riding to?

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    I think you guys are on your own. I wouldn't be waiting for one to be built. It's just too small a market for anyone to make any money in. Honestly ask yourself how many of there are you that ride the Tiger like a dirt bike? I count maybe 5 or 6? And how many of those 5 or 6 are willing to pay fairly big dollars for a true skid plate? One or two of you I bet. Anyone designing, testing, and producing skid plates in those numbers is losing money.

    I love my Tiger and for my intended use (and most riders) any of the already available "rock guards" are good enough.
  20. MotoTex

    MotoTex Miles of Smiles

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    Riiiiiight.

    My KTM 950 is a similar engine/frame design and has a functional skid plate. Doesn't look like a crotch rocket, however it is a lot like a Jeep ..... on steroids. :evil

    KTM actually designed it from the get-go to accommodate the armor, Triumph really didn't. They just wanted to put something in the Adventure category the way BMW did. Neither had much input in design from people who actually understand the needs of those who will ride somewhere other than to Starbucks.

    I think that a fab shop with a designer who grasps what is required could make a functional, frame-attached system that guards the cases and sump, will allow access for oil and filter changes with easy skid plate removal from the "sub-frame," and not look like the lower fairing on a sport bike.

    Obviously, you are not THAT guy with the vision to make this work. :deal :D

    I'll place my bets that someone is working on the project now, or, will soon be.