Tiger Tales - Dialling in the 800XC for the dirt

Discussion in 'British Beasts: Triumph Tigers' started by Burren Rider, Jul 6, 2011.

  1. Burren Rider

    Burren Rider Aussie Adventurer

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    I made up my own brackets to raise the fender on the weekend (photo's to come soon hopefully). I was going to use the Touratech kit but they were backordered and I liked the idea of going a little higher anyway (20mm, plus I like stuffing around in the shed :D). I found it interesting that there is another threaded lug in the middle of the standard mounting points so it is almost as though Triumph were making this an option from the factory?

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    I also added the Triumph accessory fender extension and this seems to have reduced the amount of crap coming back at the radiator. Hopefully it will reduce the amount of mud coming up towards the triples too.

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    It is probably worth checking the clearance on this extension if you were planning to run off road tyres and no lift kit for the fender as it eats into the available clearance a little at the rear?
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  2. Burren Rider

    Burren Rider Aussie Adventurer

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    G'Day Dave,

    That would be great, don't see it happening anytime soon though.

    How is life in WA treating you, still got the HP2?

    Cheers,

    Danny
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  3. Burren Rider

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    G'Day Rod,

    I tried, but no go unfortunately. The Henry / Reed bend definately have more sweep than standard but don't have enough room on either side to fit the controls correctly (the perches are starting to sit on the tapered curve area). I reckon you would find some that do work well but I am going to wait and see what a damper kit entails (my guess is that it may mount below the bars and act as a riser anyway?).
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  4. Burren Rider

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    G'Day Lori,

    Good to hear you are enjoying your bikes. Most riders I talk to with a dirt background all seem to be surprised at the Tigers ability off-road. I have been thinking that the tyres on my bike are a big part of this but it is interesting to hear that the package of geometry, suspension and power delivery allow the standard tyres to work well too.
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  5. Burren Rider

    Burren Rider Aussie Adventurer

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    Engine

    To be honest I don't think there is much that can be done to improve this element of the bike, it is a cracker.

    I opted for an Arrow pipe (primarily for the sound) and it really gives the bike a growl. I chose the Arrow as it has a tailored map and I like the integrated heat shield. I am looking at soft luggage options at the moment and I think this shield would be handy if I went the Giant Loop path. Staintune are looking to develop a pipe but it won't be for a while, otherwise I would have opted for the locally made product.

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    With the baffle out it can get a little droney every now and then but the sound of this thing ripping through the forest is awesome :thumb It is interesting to note that my kids can't hear me coming like they can when I am on the 400 (fitted with a Staintune and road legal baffle) so it is obviously not that anti-social.
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  6. Burren Rider

    Burren Rider Aussie Adventurer

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    I am no mechanical engineer but I think this is an area that Triumph could improve on. While the action is silky smooth, 1st could definately be lower. I have fitted a 15T sprocket and this helps but I would still prefer a slightly lower first cog. I even contemplated 14T but I think this may be getting a bit busy on the open road.

    A Touratech sprocket cover made its way on at the same time with the theory that it won't trap mud and trail rubbish like the standard, fully enclosed one does.

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  7. CJL00

    CJL00 Who said top boxes are useless?

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    Sounds good Danny, could even meet around Buccarumbi and do the Old Glenn Innes Road, that is roughly halfway. Loop back down the bitumen then loop around through Hanging Rock to Clarence Way, not sure if you are familiar with that area but it is good riding country.

    Hopefully that Tiger isn't that much better a bike than the GS like you are saying, it would cost me too much. I will send a pm with my direct contact details. Maybe a weekend in early August would suit, hopefully warm up a little by then.

    Cheers

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  8. av_mech

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    This is my one big gripe about the bike. It needs a much wider ratio tranny. A granny first gear and an over drive sixth gear. Can you imagine the gas mileage you could achieve if you were turning 4k rpms at 80mph vs 6k?!

    I'll be doing the 15T too. Just ordered fork seal boots and the mud flap tonight. My Fuel exhaust should be here within the next two days!
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  9. catzass

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    Burren, Thanks a lot man! :ddog I test rode an xc this weekend and have been trying to tell myself I don't need one. You are not helping with your rave reviews and you are giving me ideas of what I would want to add to one. I'm already sucked into the Triumph fold by my 955i Daytona. And I have a perfectly good dual-sport in my green drz(klx400). But I don't have a bike to ride cross-country and get off the road when I get there. So one of these may find its way into my garage.
    Keep it up! I'll keep denying that I need one of these too and keep an eye on this thread for new ideas. :ear
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    Got to go for another decent run yesterday and still more than impressed with the Tigers off-road ability. Did a long stretch of flowing single track (nothing technical) in the afternoon and really enjoyed it. I just noticed looking at the pictures that they dry up at around midday. That is when I got into the forest proper and just didn't stop riding. Lunch was not until after 4pm so I guess that explains why my GPS track looks a lot like a spiderweb with trails criss-crossing all over the place :D.

    Its funny how a new bike with new capabilities can really fire you up to go riding again. I know the novelty will wear off someday but it is a lot of fun right now.

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  11. TerraUnFirma

    TerraUnFirma Fair/Not Balanced

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    Don't NEED one??? Do we really NEED any of these bikes? Ok, so they are a form of therapy...at least in my book. I actually rode all 3 of my street legal bikes today, tho just for local errands. Hadn't ridden the RT in a few weeks and it really felt small (size and height wise) compared to the XC and the DRZ. They're all great, but if I had to cut back to just one bike, it would be the XC, for just the reasons you mention!

    Go for it! :evil
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    Birdy68 Scared, but wants to

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    WOW.... FAN-BLOODY-TASTIC....
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  13. Mercury264

    Mercury264 Once you go Triple...

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    Where did you order the boots and mud flap from (I assume you mean the Acerbis flap) ?

    Thanks...
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  14. KildareMan

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    Yup working a treat. Best bet though as a few others have done is get 1050 handguards. They are deeper. Although you also need the 1050 bar end weights or home made. My extensions give plenty of room at the knuckles so no problems with thick gloves or the like. Another mod to try is a 15 x 40mm strip to raise the inboard contact point of the handguards. Handguards start becoming useful at this point.
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  15. RodT

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    Hi Danny, thanks for the info on the handlebars as it saves me a lot of hassle. I still need more sweep, so i guess I'll have to looks elsewhere. Rod
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    LINK to the P/N post in the Tiger thread. I just searched in Ebay and found it.
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    Thanks :thumb
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    I think comfort is going to be a very personal thing.

    Over long distances, the XC bars with the 20mm risers still put more pressure on my palms and wrists than, say, the stock bars on my former V-Strom 650. The reach is longer and the grips are at a straighter outward angle. The Strom's bars are a bit more comfortable when riding long distances. But the XC bars certainly aren't bad.

    I may switch to Rox risers eventually, but for the time being, I'm satisfied with the current setup.

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  19. Evomx971

    Evomx971 Wave as you fly over

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    Did you make the map change at the same time as putting on the pipe? If so, what were your impressions of the change to the motor other than sound? I did the Arrow and map (but have not removed the baffle) and thought it made the throttle response down low much softer than stock, which put me off at first, but after having it off road, I really like it. With the baffle still in, the pipe really doesn't sound any louder than stock to me, but does have a little nicer tone to it. Plus it's a much lighter piece and looks great.
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  20. Spots

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    At the risk of being far too obvious, there were some similarities and some differences. :) Afterall, one's a sports-touring bike for tall bastards and the other's a mid-size adventure bike.

    To me the 800XC felt a lot lighter and narrower from the seat. Really easy to balance at slower-than-walking-pace. The 800 motor's got better usable power all the way down to, say, 1500rpm or 2000rpm or so. By comparison, below 3000rpm the 1050 Tiger is a grumpy-sounding cat which protests that its valve overlaps and runner lengths were meant for sporting, not stump-pulling. Edit: One other difference - The 1050 doesn't vibrate too much, but the 800's _insanely_ smooth and vibration free. Twist throttle, receive propulsion.

    Wind management seemed better on the 800; less buffetting and noise. I found the 800's seat to be interesting/strange - it seems to lock the rider into just one position, whereas the 1050's got more room to scoot around.

    In terms of handing they're quite different indeed - the 800 felt much slower to tip in no matter how forceful I was with countersteering (21" dual-purpose vs 17" sports-touring?), but once it was leaned over it felt sure-footed and confident. :) The 1050's handling felt a little more nimble overall but suffers in rapid side-to-side transitions through S-curves due to being a tall tubby tabby.


    In summary I'd say the 800XC felt like it'd make a more comfortable/practical touring bike compared to the 1050 sports-cat; better wind-management, better tractability, more legroom. And with access to tyres that aren't sportsbike semislicks it'd be a hell of a lot better on unpaved roads, letalone getting into real offroad situations.