Tiger Tales - Dialling in the 800XC for the dirt

Discussion in 'British Beasts: Triumph Tigers' started by Burren Rider, Jul 6, 2011.

  1. Yankee Dog

    Yankee Dog Long timer

    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2008
    Oddometer:
    2,027
    Location:
    Decatur, AL
    Interesting, but I wouldnt expect it to be any other way. As a comment on the amount of slack, my Tiger 955 has almost 1.5 inches and IIRC the Trophy, America, and RS prior to that were about the same. Always ran them on the loose side of the spec. Never had a problem and alway had great chain life.
  2. Androu

    Androu Adventurer

    Joined:
    Apr 4, 2012
    Oddometer:
    47
    Location:
    Ridgecrest, CA
    Man, I remember when I was young and I could eat it like that and just pick up the bike and keep riding. Now I'd be in traction for a month :)
  3. gregdee

    gregdee Motocampist

    Joined:
    Oct 30, 2011
    Oddometer:
    514
    Location:
    Tijeras, NM
    I took my Sprint ST in for a service the other day and I took home a Tiger 800 XC for the evening. Somehow my ride home turned into a 100 mile test ride. :D

    I did a route that was familiar to me, one that I have ridden it on my KLR several times this summer. The route consisted of highway, super tight twisties with significant elevation change and lots of blind turns, some mellow dirt road to some more technical dirt road across an Indian Reservation and out to an interstate highway. After 5 miles on the freeway at 80 mph I was back on a dirt road with lots of rain ruts and washed out sections. I managed to haul at comfortably at about 40-60 mph along this section, about what I do on the KLR. I ended back on a nice set of twisty pavement back home just as it was getting dark.

    This bike was 100% stock. Instantly I knew I would remove those stupid rubber pads from the foot pegs and I would raise the bars. I didn't like the windscreen all that much as it seemed to blast air right to my forehead - I kept checking the vents in my helmet as this was an odd sensation. But overall I was pleased by the smoothness of the ride and the pleasant reassuring manner the Tiger had off-road. The tires were OK but they did track funny on pavement. I had no issues with them off-road as they handled dirt, rocks, sand, and everything in between just fine. No mud on this ride.

    My biggest let down was the lack of power - and I ride a 2002 KLR as my DS rig. So what gives? It felt like I really had to want it to get the Tiger moving. My trusty salesman at the shop said people bitch about this initially but then they just get used to it. I really want to like this bike and trade in my Sprint for one but right now I might just have to hold out for the Big Tiger to come out in April. Don't get me wrong, this bike is way nicer than my beater KLR but for 7x the price I expected more.
  4. swimmer

    swimmer armchair asshole

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2007
    Oddometer:
    5,028
    Location:
    tucson, AZ, It's a dry hate.
    A new klr is $6500. A new tiger is not $45,000.

    A lot of your complaints seems to not take into account not everyone likes the same thing i.e. windshield type, rubber vibration isolators on the footpegs (which are removable). Some people like those things as is. Others change them for little cost.

    The motorcycle needs to be revved to create power. It's not thumper. Maybe your klr just suits you better.
  5. ducnut

    ducnut Long timer

    Joined:
    Feb 9, 2009
    Oddometer:
    3,321
    Location:
    central IL
    The 800 engine is a stroked 675. It definitely doesn't have the power characteristics of your Sprint. When I rode the 800, I just had to keep reminding myself that it's more like my Daytona 675 was than what my Tiger 1050 is. The low-end torque of the 1050 spoils those who have one and, then, get on something smaller.
  6. browneye

    browneye PIN IT & BANG GEARS

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2009
    Oddometer:
    6,482
    Location:
    Orange County, CA
    The torque curve is very linear and flat. It's done intentionally to make it a good distance bike and more tractable offroad. Once they are broken in and you hit 6G's, it does have a noticeable boost. It's not a hot-rod bike but it can be if you choose to rev it.

    I think it's brilliant. And very easy to live with.

    I threw the foot peg rubbers away the day I got it. Stock screen is fine unless it's blustery out or over 80. Otherwise I find it adequate, and it gets the pressure off your chest.

    It is a little over twice the price of a KLR and well worth it. 50% more than a Vstrom, and well worth it. I compare it to a GS, and it's 30% less than one of those.

    It's not a liter bike. It doesn't weigh like one either
  7. burmbuster

    burmbuster Long timer

    Joined:
    Oct 16, 2007
    Oddometer:
    1,432
    Location:
    South East USA
    I came from a Sprint as well. Just sold my '07. Ride a few other adventure bikes and you will see the power is actually great. The Tiger is the best bike I have ever owned. Bar none.
  8. burmbuster

    burmbuster Long timer

    Joined:
    Oct 16, 2007
    Oddometer:
    1,432
    Location:
    South East USA
    Browneye,
    I am installing mine tomorrow. You should have been able to just fold the flange and install it by just removing the seat?
  9. browneye

    browneye PIN IT & BANG GEARS

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2009
    Oddometer:
    6,482
    Location:
    Orange County, CA

    Uh...no. :rofl
    Let us know how it goes for you. :deal
  10. FuzzyDunlop

    FuzzyDunlop Been here awhile

    Joined:
    Mar 8, 2012
    Oddometer:
    283
    Location:
    Melbourne
    I have a non-abs and installing the pre-filter was a doddle. 6 bolts and your in. It has a flange similar to the snorkel connector and just 'clips' in. Checked it yesterday after about 1000km and its nice and snug.

  11. PYG RYDR

    PYG RYDR Adventure-Dual Sport

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2010
    Oddometer:
    397
    Location:
    Southern VA
    Please share more....
  12. gregdee

    gregdee Motocampist

    Joined:
    Oct 30, 2011
    Oddometer:
    514
    Location:
    Tijeras, NM
    I did find the Tiger very nice to ride, and confidence inspiring in the dirt. I doubt the BMW dealer would be as nice to me and let me take an F800GS for an extended test ride but looking at the numbers the F800 looks to be way under powered. So in that light I guess the Tiger kicks butt.

    The windscreen, foot pegs, bars, and other such things are easy to fix. The power issue isn't.

    Oh and one more thing I noticed on my test ride - I now have a hole burnt into the inside of the right leg of my riding pants. I'm guessing the exhaust is a little too exposed.
  13. ThomasVolomitz

    ThomasVolomitz New Old Stock

    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2010
    Oddometer:
    4,423
    Location:
    NE Ohio
    95 HP seems like plenty to me, maybe I am getting old. Never thought of the XC as underpowered.
  14. RichardU

    RichardU Let's Ride

    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2004
    Oddometer:
    904
    Location:
    Marietta, GA
    I had a small problem with that and fixed it with the SW Motech guard for the rear brake.
  15. Mercury264

    Mercury264 Once you go Triple...

    Joined:
    Nov 7, 2005
    Oddometer:
    22,349
    Location:
    Masshole
    +1

    I simply cannot understand this constant need for more power :dunno

    The ONLY time I have ever wanted a tad more power was when overtaking on the highway, 2-up fully loaded and even then I just knocked it down an extra cog and the torque just pulled me past.
  16. TxLoneRider

    TxLoneRider Been here awhile

    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2010
    Oddometer:
    343
    Location:
    Tejas
    Okay, I will bite. That "test rider" must be a troll, maybe a BMW faithful or such??? :1drink

    BrownEye summed it up pretty nicely.

    I as well think the Tiger is one of the best all around bikes for logging miles, out of the box, I have owned.

    That list includes (but not limited to :deal), '98 ZX6e, '01 Sprint ST 955i, '03 FJR1300R, '05 Tiger 955i, '08 KLR650, '01 VFR 800.

    I really liked the ergo's of the KLR, worked well with my bum knee, but I needed a Sargent seat, double bubble screen and HWY pegs. The Tiger 800XC, with the seat in the upper position, stock, bone stock, more comfortable.

    As far as power, considering I only really needed a few more ponies out of the KLR, well, I am extremely happy. Yup, I am falling for the troll, but the Tiger 800XC could use a bit more tractor power down low in first, but otherwise, I swear it is faster than the Sprint ST I had, sadly it was lost to a rock slide in 2002 :cry

    The Tiger 800 XC, STOCK, has better wind handling for my wide chest than the stock FJR1300, and any other bike except for the Sprint ST with a double bubble.

    Other than maybe a lower first, and taller 6th, I believe Triumph could not have done better for a mass production bike. No matter what the thing produced, there are going to be tradeoffs. And for me, serious kudos to Triumph. :freaky
  17. Rob Dirt

    Rob Dirt More or less in line

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2006
    Oddometer:
    2,567
    Location:
    Mobile
    You need to change your name to F800GS Defender. Seriously. Do you just troll around looking for post that mention 800GS?
  18. burmbuster

    burmbuster Long timer

    Joined:
    Oct 16, 2007
    Oddometer:
    1,432
    Location:
    South East USA
    You do not have to remove the tank! I just ran home on my lunch break and did it in under 30 minutes.
    I removed 8 bolts and was in like Flynn.
    Remove the seats
    Remove the side rub guards that protect the upper frame ( has "800" stamped on it)
    Remove the rider seat bracket that is over the ABS unit
    Remove the single bolt holding in the snorkel
    Remove the snorkel and rubber boot
    Install the per-filter starting with the bottom right corner
    Work your way around inserting the flange of the pre filter to the bottom left corner
    Start again with the tope right corner to the top left corner
    Install bolts in reverse, including the bolt that use to hold the snorkel in
    Your done!
    Easy peasy.

    Browneye,
    A least your are ready for the valve check!
  19. Mercury264

    Mercury264 Once you go Triple...

    Joined:
    Nov 7, 2005
    Oddometer:
    22,349
    Location:
    Masshole
    I wonder if it's the same guy who does the same when 'Tenere' is mentioned :dunno

    Crap...he'll be along shortly :lol3
  20. browneye

    browneye PIN IT & BANG GEARS

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2009
    Oddometer:
    6,482
    Location:
    Orange County, CA
    Yeah, same thoughts, but thanks for saying it. I was going to comment on the generally dour attitude. Like, why? :lol3

    It didn't appear that anyone was bashing the beamer anyway. Really, like who cares? Right? :dunno