Tiger Tales - Dialling in the 800XC for the dirt

Discussion in 'British Beasts: Triumph Tigers' started by Burren Rider, Jul 6, 2011.

  1. MotoTex

    MotoTex Miles of Smiles

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    I chose the HB kit because my Caribou Cases on the 950 mount to HB. Haven't put the cases on the Tiger yet, but I was impressed with how durable the HB mounts were on the KTM after several test tip-overs with and without bags.

    The HB mounts on the Tiger have the quick-release feature, which I may never use other than quick removal for bike maintenance access. I like having them there for added protection and might even come in handy as a defense against wayward minivans in parking lots. (glad to see you got everything resolved and are back into a new bike!)

    In the two years of using the Caribou/HB setup on the KTM I am left impressed with the design of both the HB and Caribou Cases side of things. The Caribou case/mount clamp is a break-away design that is easily replaced, though I have never broken one. Should the need arise this should prevent undue stress to the case or the mount in a moving fall. I carry a spare when touring, just in case. The design prevents getting into one of those bungee/duct tape solutions to pannier mounting after an incident.

    Once I get around to carrying the bags out and installing them I'll snap some shots. At the moment I'm recovering from some knee reconstruction and though I am riding again, I'm not quite up to easily carrying much stuff from the house to the bike.
  2. Lion BR

    Lion BR I'd rather be riding

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    1. The Tiger does not have a subframe. If it did, you just change the bent part each time you bend it. It is a single unit, from the front where it holds the fairing, lights and instrument cluster all the way to the back. One single welded on piece and when one part of it gets bent, the entire thing needs to be changed.
    2. Yes, the passenger pegs are a problem, usually the first thing to hit the ground.
    3. Hardware on the back does not protect the frame. It would need to deform instead of transferring the impact to the frame. The harder it is, the more of the impact it transfers to the frame. Soft bags crumple, they are good that way.
    4. But I agree, because of number 2 above, you are f&*#ed either way. And as a matter of fact, some of the racks attach directly to the passenger pegs, which may or may not offer a lever effect to help bend it more easily.
  3. Lion BR

    Lion BR I'd rather be riding

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    Break-away setups are good.
  4. cug

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    It also gives the longest lever for bending the frame there. Whether this design is good or not is debatable in my opinion. I don't like it.

    I kind of like the Jesse bag mounts - they are flat mild steel attaching to the frame in multiple points. Strong enough to carry the bags, soft enough to just bend away when hit. And it's steel - you can have it fixed in the boonies.
  5. Dubl-A

    Dubl-A SuckerDucker

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    Lol you just reminded me of my wife...she speaks in number references :lol3

    Yes, us owners are painfully aware of the welded frame..I use the term being it immediately describes the location.
  6. Dubl-A

    Dubl-A SuckerDucker

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    You're right, you really would need to trust your camping neighbors! :kumbaya

    I'm hoping if I do drop the bike with the aluminum cans on they crumple before the rear frame gets damged
  7. Lion BR

    Lion BR I'd rather be riding

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    I too own this bike. Easiest way to explain things to the people who need to see things in a simple form is to break it down into simple steps. :lol3 I had a girlfriend once that would often give me lectures in 10 steps.
  8. Dubl-A

    Dubl-A SuckerDucker

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    10 steps?! lol You must have been a naughty boyfriend!! :ddog
  9. MotoTex

    MotoTex Miles of Smiles

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    Consider the aspect of the load being spread to three additional points with most pannier mounts, including, to a limited degree, the opposite side mounting points through the crossover brace beneath the taillight. This adds significant increase in structural rigidity to the footpeg hanger that it otherwise would not have.

    The HB adds this at the point where having resistance would offer the best advantage, by pulling in an opposing direction at the end of the lever arm.

    Other attachment options don't change the length of the lever. it is the end of the footpeg mount regardless.

    Preventing the lever (footpeg hanger) being used to fold the peg up toward the seat may actually be more likely with a clamp mount on a single tube nearer the fulcrum (welds) than it would be with a mount at the dual tube weld to resist movement at the end of the moment arm where the most mechanical advantage exists.

    The way I see this it will take less resistance applied at the end to equal the resistance applied nearer the fulcrum to accomplish the same amount of prevention of movement. The HB seems to me to have the advantage.

    Putting a clamp in the middle of a single tube might offer the chance of the tube failing at the clamped point and folding there, rather than at the weld, but insurance will still see this as a bent frame. I don't see the advantage of reinforcing the footpeg mount at a point closer to the welds.

    No matter what, any pannier mount that attaches somewhere on the peg/hanger will offer a significant improvement over just leaving it hanging out there.
  10. JCANRUN

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    Really, so your bike was totaled due to the passenger peg/frame area damage? Was that the only damage to the bike?
  11. Dubl-A

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    Nah, a Minivan pinned it between a curb and dry humped it. Damaged almost every surface including the frame. What a PITA!!
  12. Lion BR

    Lion BR I'd rather be riding

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    I don't know if that was the case for his bike. But I've seen it on a local rider's bike. He bought it back from insurance, welded the passenger pegs back (they had broken off at the welding points). His motorcycle's title says "salvage motorcycle" basically makes it worthless. But it is a fully functioning motorcycle with some welding marks and other minor scratches from the crash.
  13. JCANRUN

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    That's funny! (Not about your bike but your comment on how it happened.)
  14. Aussie Trev

    Aussie Trev aka DRTrev

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    Could you guys please leave Danny alone over this issue. I think he made the right decision, well planned and thought out. He's going through a little bit of seller remorse.....but he'll get over it.:wink:

    Me? I'm having a ball...

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    Thanks Danny...:clap
  15. turboICE

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    First it is not just the left peg at risk.

    Second yes it can be the only damage and be totaled. A minor low side slide in gravel resulted in my XC being totaled by the insurance company when the passenger peg mount was bent upwards 180*. The bracket goes into the frame with the frame acting as a welding socket for the fillet weld. So even if the bracket is not wasted as mine was the leverage in the frame could pretty easily kink the frame when the peg is absorbing the energy of a drop. As soon as the bracket levers the welding socket / frame and dimples it even a little an insurance adjuster will say the frame needs to be replaced and the cost to replace will be more than the bike is worth and total it. So if you want to keep your bike don't take passenger peg damage to your insurance company. I wish I hadn't.

    They wouldn't let me buy it back either which was strange because I bought a car that was stolen and totaled back from insurance before.

    The 1200's peg mounts are sacrificial.

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  16. JCANRUN

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    Thanks for the info. By the way, who was that insurance carrier and what state do you live (assuming your in the US)? In California, you have the right to "retain salvage" meaning you have a right to keep the bike/car and they will just subtract the salvage value from the total loss settlement.
  17. Tonk

    Tonk Broken Adventurer

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    Ok... Extreme idea here but for those of us that never carry a passenger, could it make sense to cut off the passenger pegs? How easily are these damaged? I've dropped my Tiger a few times (low speed in the dirt) but never thought something so minor could total the bike.
  18. Jeroen!

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    I think it's less likely to happen on the dirt, because of the softer impact. Onroad the asfalt is mostly less soft. Mine got bent a little too from my last drop on asfalt, not as extreme as TurboICE luckily.

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  19. browneye

    browneye PIN IT & BANG GEARS

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    Or cut the tubes and insert a sacrificial connector, like aluminum or something softer that will give.
    Was discussed in depth elsewhere...can't recall tho. Probly after turboice misfortune.
  20. rustynut2

    rustynut2 Been here awhile

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    whats up with the front footpeg, looks bent. Must of been a hard hit.