Tiger vs 650 V-Strom

Discussion in 'Land of the Rising Sun: ADV Bikes from Japan' started by MMasz, Aug 12, 2013.

  1. freecat

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    To get a sense of the "heat issue" on the Tiger, take the heat poured onto your legs by an FJR on a hot summer day at low speeds and divide by 10.
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    Motorcycle Consumer News got the following figures for the Tiger 800XC:

    0-60: 4.06 seconds
    Standing quarter mile: 12.19 seconds @ 108.72 mph.

    I think that's quicker than a Wee Strom.

    Edit: The 1/4 mile is, the 0-60 is not.

    http://www.mcnews.com/mcn/features/2011AugTriBMW.pdf
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    Hey precious juice,

    sometimes, it is not about the specs, but what moves you. :wink:

    "I'm really impressed with how light the Tiger is. For having three pistons and stuff, the bike is nearly ten lbs lighter than the DL. But the DL holds about 2.5lbs more of fuel, or .3 gallons, plus tank mass to hold it."

    FWIW, that is a bit of an apples to oranges comparison. The '12+ Glee weighs about 470 lbs, or about 33 lbs lighter than the 503lb 800XC. The Glee with the Adventure package adds about 47 lbs with the luggage mounts, panniers, crashbars, and taller windscreen to be 516 lbs. Figure a similarly equipped XC would be approx. 550lbs.

    "5. Tiger has better suspension. Front: 7", Rear 6.7" or so. The DL is 5.? front and 6.? in the rear."

    The XC has 8.66" F/8.46" R; the Tiger roadie 800 has 7.09"F/6.7"R
    The DL650 has 5.9" F/6.3" R

    Either way, sounds like a Tiger 800 roadie might fit your needs well.
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  4. freecat

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    The magazines didn't really test the Roadie very much -- they focused (understandably) on comparisons between the XC and the F800GS. But the Roadie is lighter, figures to be ever so slightly quicker.

    But among us, the centerstand-and-topcase crowd, how much does it matter? What matters a bit is roll-on power between curves, the ability to pass, low-speed fueling, highway mileage, smoothness, etc.

    Both bikes (Tiger and DL) are great all-around bikes in this regard. If I were going for pure grin factor, I would've bought a Street Triple R. But I'm just assuming a 600 mile day on that bike would be at least as uncomfortable as it was on my SV650 (which also had a topcase and centerstand...).

    I consider the Tiger's alternator output (645W) to be quite a bonus. With my Wee, I might have been pushing it a bit with heated gear, aux lights, GPS, etc.
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    Then there is that beautiful mini Jaguar Tiger sound.... vs what sounds like a Suzuki generator working an irrigation pump. I own a WeeStrom but that Tiger engine is a jewel, heat or not. The Tiger has better build quality, that is less flimsy plastic panel kind of stuff.The Tiger has much better suspension units, just a lot more adjustable and sophisticated and is a lot more attractive.With all that said you just ride the Wee forever and have no problems. You can't make a bad choice between these 2 bikes IMO.By the time you upgrade the Suzuki suspension units so they are as good as the Triumphs these bikes cost the same thing. If you ride any dirt you need engine guards and a skidplate on the Wee for sure also or small stones just hammer the lower side of the engine, so add that on too.
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  6. marcone

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    And it does a fantastic job at being just that!
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  7. freecat

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    My Roadie has less suspension adjustability than my '04 Wee did (the Wee has rear preload and rebound, and front preload, whereas the Roadie only has rear preload).

    However, the Tiger has much, much BETTER suspension. It's more compliant. The upside-down fork is more rigid (less flexy) and due to cartridge internals gives better front end feel. It is set up more firmly for sport riding... which I like. The shock seems better as well, better damped, despite the lack of damping adjustment.

    But if you can get a new Wee for around $8000-$8500 OTD, you have basically gotten more for your money than you can with any other bike. Short of a dresser, it's about as comfortable for touring as it gets, it has great range, is more fun in the twisties than heavier touring bikes, it can go down gravel roads, dirt roads and goat paths that make sport-tourers nervous, and generally just works.

    But I still bought a Tiger when I decided it was time for a new bike. I don't think I'll be sorry.
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  8. Zapp22

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    and Tenere, divide by 2?? :ear

    I totally agree about the weestrom. we get triple digits here anytime from February into October [have had 50+ days this year]. I don't LIKE to ride in such temperatures, but I never felt heat from the weestrom unless sitting still, and little then. by contrast, the DR650 single I have is a leg cooker on one side. I need to check its exhaust header....
    the Wee is even cooler and less prone to head drift in crosswind if one removes the splashdam beneath the nose cone. also reduces buffeting, which is very little if one uses madstad + givi
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  9. freecat

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    I haven't ridden an S10, but if you've ridden an FJR, even one with some heat-reducing mods, the Tiger's heat is hardly worth noting. It's more than the Wee puts out. But without a fairing you can just splay your knees for a moment and it's gone. And you don't feel it at all at speed.
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    Well, maybe not the "goat paths" you mention and not even all "dirt roads" if they are sand especially. Let's not get carried away:D. They get a lot more versatile if you spend another $2K on upgrades to suspension and protection.All surfaces that you want to put a Wee on need to be pretty solid.
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    Not true.

    I put 40,000 miles on my Wee-Strom. I've now put over 46,000 on my Tiger 800 XC.

    What has the Tiger needed in those 46,000 miles? Oil, filters, tires, and a chain/front sprocket. Exact same stuff the Strom needed. Nothing else. Valves haven't even needed adjustment.

    Reliability is a nonissue with the Tiger. You can take that comparison off the table.

    The only way in which the Wee is better than the Tiger is fuel range, since its tank is over 3/4-gallon larger and it gets a few mpg better gas mileage. In every other respect, the Tiger is a far superior bike.

    --mark
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  12. Kawidad

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    Not the new glee strom. The tanks are almost the same size now. Tiger 5.0 US gallons, the glee 5.3 US gallons. The old strom was 5.8 US gallons.

    I would expect the fuel range to be a wash between the bikes depending on riding conditions and rider.

    Not trying to bust your balls, just trying to keep the record straight. :feelgood
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  13. Pecha72

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    Newer V-Stroms fuel range remains practically the same as the older one. Tank is a bit smaller, but it uses about 10% less fuel.
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  14. DragonNester

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    What's the big deal with fuel capacity. My Tiger will do at least 230 miles on a tank, but I always get off and gas up from around 170-210 miles. Why? Because I need to get off the saddle and stretch my legs....might as well gas up. I'd do the same if the bike would go 400 miles on a tankful.

    I'm sure the Wee is a fine bike. I like my T800r just fine and I've owned many bikes in my 66 years. The Triumph triple is an inspiring engine with a growl.
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  15. freecat

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    When I say "Goat trails" I really mean narrow and essentially unmaintained roads that may have been paved once -- or the primary method of maintenance is chip-seal with generous doses of gravel. That's what my sport-touring buddies call the roads I take them on. I don't mean rocky single-track trails.
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  16. E-town dirt dude

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    I agree...the 0-60 numbers are off. 0-60 is about 3.7 seconds. Check out this video

    http://www.tiger800.co.uk/index.php?topic=471.0
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  17. 2tallnwide

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    Gee my Tiger was only 4200 bucks, holds 6.3 gallons, and is faster than the DL, or the 800...y'all are getting hosed...:deal

    :wink::lol3

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  18. DragonNester

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    That must be why everyone I know that has one complains how top heavy they are.:evil:evil
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  19. srelegante

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    You cannot go wrong either way.

    Ride them both, one will speak to you. Most likely the triple. :lurk

    I own an SV650, and it is a great motorcycle. I have owned 4 triples, and took a roadie from MT to Coldfoot, AK. That bike is so well balanced and the motor so forgiving, it is incredible.

    Let us know what you decide!

    SE
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  20. bleedgrn

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    From what the original OP stated "only $1000 difference" has to be total B.S. if you are comparing new bikes. I paid $7300 for my 12 DL650 std OTD $8200. There is no way in hell the 800XC was $9300 unless it was a matter of dealership liquidation. The cheapest XC I have come across "new" remember, was $10,999, OTD $12000. So you are really talking almost $4K difference. That makes these bikes apples and oranges.
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