Time for a new camera

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  1. RxZ

    RxZ Legal Drug Dealer

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    Our aging Canon Rebel XTi has been a good camera for our family. I have learned a lot about cameras and photography in general in the 7 years or so that we have had this camera. But, I feel like it is time to move on. However, since I have been pretty happy with this camera I have not kept up with the latest trends in the DSLR world.

    Most of our pictures seems to be of family, and indoors at family gatherings, or just general day to day stuff with the kids. We also have used the old Rebel to take semi professional family portraits and reunions and stuff. So long as there is plenty of light it does good, but that is often not the case in most people's homes.

    So, low light performance is a must. The kids are just now starting to get into sports and stuff, so something that works fast and/or takes a lot of pictures per second would be nice. We typically do not use RAW image files that often, however, when we are taking pictures that I plan to print larger than 4x6, I shoot RAW exclusively. With today's DSLRs, i don't know of any that do not shoot RAW, so I guess that is a moot point.

    Price we can spend: up to 1500, but maybe a little bit more if that much camera is much better than whatever camera is below it in price point.

    Thanks for any info, and if you have questions that would help point me the right direction, then ask away.
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  2. Grainbelt

    Grainbelt marginal adventurer Super Moderator

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    Low light and sports are all about the glass, not the body (AF for sports a minor exception)

    What do you currently have for lenses? Depending on what you have, $1500 wisely spent on lenses will have a far greater impact than a new body, IMO.
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  3. RxZ

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    We have the standard lens, a 55-250 1:4-5.6 IS, and a 50mm 1:1.8. I actually really like using the prime. It can take some pretty good pictures. None of those are anywhere near professional glass.
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    Grainbelt marginal adventurer Super Moderator

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    You might consider a Tamron 17-50 F2.8 VC ($600) to replace your kit lens, keep the 50, and spend the rest of your budget on the best telephoto you can talk yourself into. The very well regarded 70-200 F/4L is $700. They are both available used for less than that as well.

    That also frees up the option of selling the XTi with the kit lenses down the road to pay for a slightly newer semi-pro body like the 40D or 50D.

    I remember when I eventually bought some decent glass for my four-year-old Pentax DSLR; the difference is remarkable. Nice thing about lenses is they don't really depreciate much - I've bought some used, sold them for what I paid, and tried a different focal length. Going to do it again, actually, swapping a 35mm prime for a 70mm macro. Trying to figure out how few lenses I can keep in my bag and get all the shots I want.
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  5. NikonsAndVStroms

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    +1
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  7. RxZ

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    Thanks Alton, but I have a Speedlight already, should have mentioned that in the first post. I almost never use the built in flash now. I either use the speedlight, or just bump the ISO up a bit.
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  8. NikonsAndVStroms

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    Basically you have 2 steps for improving your low light/focusing....new lenses and a new body.

    I went new bodies first personally but that's due to them being such huge jumps and offering specific functions over my previous D50, in the Canon range I don't see anything like Fuji's dynamic range...or the huge jump to the FF D700 is out of your price range if you want new. So yes a body would improve things but not night and day.

    This means in your situation I would go with the lenses...the 17-50 mentioned is a nice one, Tamron has amazing optics in their fast lenses I've used. A 70-200 F4 from Canon would work, you could also get a 2.8 from Sigma (non-IS) or Tamron for a similar price. I don't know much about the 70-200 F4 from Canon so I'd look up how sharp it is compared to those third party lenses. Since they are about the same price I'm sure there's lots of comparisons out there.
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    +1 again... give up the kit lens.

    How about putting some money towards some useful post processing tools, like noise ninja...eeks out a bit more range, when you have to push your ISO envelope.
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  10. RxZ

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    So, lots of people saying to skip the body for now and go with the lenses, then upgrade the body at a later date and already have nice lenses for it. You people and your rational thought :rofl :lol3
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  11. NikonsAndVStroms

    NikonsAndVStroms Beastly Photographer

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    Alright then try this.....screw Canon and buy a Nikon D7000. Better AF, better low light performance, much better feeling/more solid body, and just general kick ass-ness.


    Or....buy a D700 used :evil with the D800 coming out now D700 prices might be dropping into your range.
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  12. RxZ

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    Sounds good, but not enough monies :cry
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    Add 350-400 to your current budget if you went Nikon, that XTi kit would make a good starter kit for someone. Just think about 51 point AF system and a very usable ISO 6400....hell 12,800 is good in the right conditions.
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    Also, if a guy is inclined toward a smaller, more compact, setup, consider the Micro 4/3 format. They've come out with some decent low-light primes and I think there are a couple of faster kit/zoom lenses in the pipeline. I like the Panasonic GH2, but the new Olympus OM-D sounds really interesting as well. Get a body (skip the kit lens) and a couple of decent prime lenses and you're good to go. I like the Oly 45/f1.8, and the Oly 12/f2.0 although that latter lens is a bit expensive right now.....will probably come down.
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    My only concern with pushing him in that direction would be for sports. How does the continuous AF perform on the newer ones?
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  16. RxZ

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    Yeah, I saw those numbers on B&H's website. Useable 6400 ISO blows my mind! The XTi goes up to 1600, and I almost never use that because it typically looks so bad. Again, being that the majority of my pictures seem to be spontaneous indoor pictures, good low light performance is something I am looking for. Since all I have right now are kit lenses for the XTi, I do not mind going Nikon if need be. I do not have a huge investment in Canon products. My mom does want to buy the XTi from me though if I get a new body.
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    That's true. I don't find the continuous AF to be all that great on my GH2. I have not read a comprehensive review of the OM-D yet, it's quite new. I think that dpreview was supposed to have one out this week, but haven't looked at it yet.
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  18. Grainbelt

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    speaking of which, is there a decent fast telephoto for Nikon that isn't 2 grand, on top of the camera? :ear
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    Sigma 70-200 2.8 OS, it's 1,300 now.

    Also you could probably grab a non OS version for ~500 used.
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  20. NikonsAndVStroms

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    Right now all you have holding you to Canon really is the 50 1.8 which is a 100 dollar lens so if you're going to make the leap now is the time.
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