Tips for rally gear (rider wear)?

Discussion in 'Racing' started by Sycamore, Jan 12, 2009.

  1. mysterio

    mysterio Eventually an Adventurer.

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    An important thing to consider re, the KTM Rally jacket, it's not exactly suited to cold weather. I've used mine on pretty hot days and really appreciate that this is the first jacket I've owned which works in these conditions, but I do need to put another proper underlayer on in winter.
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  2. Seth S

    Seth S Will _____ for _____

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    The acerbis jacket is not waterproof and it would not be a jacket I would consider using for a trip. I have the jacket because Andrew got them for us and it makes a good enduro...1 day type of event jacket.

    My Revit jacket is what I tour in as it has good pockets, a water proof liner and an insulated liner.
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  3. ADV950S

    ADV950S KTM Cowboy

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    I have one on order from KTM. Latest info shows them being available in late January 2009. I placed my order in early November. Even though the KTM and BMW Leatt are the same (absent color) BMW does not make a cover ... ONLY KTM.

    The dealer pulled up my order 2 days ago and no ship date was given. However, when they enter it in as a "new" order it listed January as a date when it would be available. MSRP is 30 Euros.

    Also regarding Jackets, I run the KTM Rallye Jacket. Retired my BMW Rally 2 Pro so I could comfortably use the Leatt as ATGATT (BMW R2P will work with Leatt brace over jacket; just not as comfortable) I did see that Troy Lee Designs has a Leatt friendly jacket with zip off sleeves. For me the slight price increase of the KTM over the Acerbis was made up for by the waterproof liner the KTM has (better for Romania's "Continental" climate). If all my riding was desert I would probably has bought the Acerbis due primarily to the light color. I plan on using a Acerbis Koerta pressure suit and ditching the KTM Armour. KTM Armour is OK; just not as good as the BMW NP Armour in the R2P...

    Just my $ .02
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  4. osteo

    osteo Motion is Life

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    Thanks for the info!, that would make sense in the delay in getting that cover here. I originally ordered a Leatt 2 yrs ago, when I first saw them and was told they were still being tested (that was after they were first seen on the Dakar by the factory riders). The Leatt website was selling them at that time, but KTM was not brining them to North America yet. It was just over a year later that we could get them here.

    I sent an email off to a store in the UK that says they do shipping, but have not heard anything yet, so that would also explain it.

    Thanks again, if you remember and yours does come in, shoot me a message and let me know what you think.

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  5. Cummo

    Cummo Been here awhile

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    Wear your pants in the boots, pants outside the boot catch on the wider rally pegs and you fall over!

    The KTM jacket is fine with a pressure suit but buy a larger size than you think, especially if you plan to put your water under the jacket.
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  6. Frgich

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    Great info from Seth s, ADV950S and Cummo, really appreciate your input. I will buy KTM jacket then and in size larger because of the Koerta pressure suite, so that will be XL,

    thanks
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  7. bugfnnuts

    bugfnnuts Somewhat Regrouped

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    Just saw this thread. For what it is worth this is what I wore for Dakar and training.

    Technical underalyer. Will wick moisture and keep you from getting chaffed.

    Good pair of socks. Several of them. Do not use cotton. You can wear 2 pair depending on how your boots fit. Put on dry ones each day.

    EVS neprene knee pads. People think they will be too hot but they aren't. They are very comfortable with no pressure points and will not slide around. Most comfortable I have ever worn.

    EVS or other type of padded riding underpants, full length or shorts. They make them with removeable pads and they can serve as your technical layer.

    Koeta Pressure suit. You can't go wrong. Saved my ass.

    Jacket, water proof or not? The idea of the jacket for me was a wind barrier. Bring layers with you to put on over the Koerta but under the jacket. You can also add a second thin technical layer under the koerta. For example a technical t shirt under a technical turtle neck. I recomend a long sleeve technical layer. It will breath and keep the jacket and Koerta from giving you a hot spot.

    I used the Acerbis Impact jacket and it was damn near perfect. Vents closed in the morning, easy to open them as things warranted. Lots of pockets which is a must. At the start of a stage you are packed up like a chipmunk with full camel bak, your lunch, second road book, or anything else you might need on the day. A heavy jacket will wear you out. Think thin and use it just a wind break. Your other layers will provide the warmth.

    A rain poncho is pretty easy to carry with you if it rains. Most likely you'll just gut it out.

    Try to keep as much off of you as possible. Let the bike carry it. You will be up and down all day long. Each time you stand up you have to lift that weight.

    The bottom line is you dress for the day. That means you will be cold in the morning and prolly a little hot in the afternoon. That's just the way it is.

    Put the pants in the boots. Else you will snag all sorts of stuff and yes they will catch on the pegs.

    Have fun
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  8. LUDO

    LUDO Been here awhile

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    EAR PLUGS : GET USED TO IT if you haven t already. less engine and wind noise to your brain, the fresher, longer you will be.(i use the foam ones with the string that keeps them together)

    HELMETS : I was an Arai guy, then a ONE trooper then now I go with the new SHOEI VFXW which just came out. Not too light, not heavy, great ventilation, great TIGHT fit (you need tight), quiet..(very quiet!) and I am certain it is the best damn protection for your head you can get anywhere with the ARAI in second.
    Dont wear a black helmet. Duh! I always bring a second helmet with me at every rally. Just in case

    BOOTS : Always been an ALpinestars TECH6 guy. I never liked the TEch8s cos of the booty. It adds too much weight and it adds a size to the outside of the boot. too many chances of getting it caught onto something and TECH 6s are light but strong and still sensitive to brakes and shift. I dont like the TEch10s as they are too rigid.
    UNDERWEAR : I wear long sleeve top and long legs underwear. Some of it is for cool weather, but in rally you usually choose special made stuff for hot weather. Any adventure/outdoor style clothing company has it in its catalog. Choose Darker colors. The comfort of not having any sand on your skin all day is pretty good. It protects from the small scratches on your leg, butt, torso etc... it may not be much to think about the first day, but after ten days, you will appreciate the comfort. HAve one top and one bottom for each day

    GLOVES : I wear hand tape spcifically designed for riding. it's French and it's called PHLYCSTOP (http://www.amis.asso.fr/PHLYCSTOP.html) . my hands couldn't take more than 2 days of rally without it. Using this hand tape allows me to use thinner gloves like a SX glove if I want to but I usually ride with the FOX Bombers which have a carbonfiber knuckle protection. I usually ride with gloves a size bigger than my size as I hate to be tight in gloves and the hand tape addition might tighten tthe fit of your usual gloves. I change gloves after 3 days as they lose comfort features very quickly

    SOCKS : In adddition to the long leg underwear, I use the FOX long socks for knee braces. It doubles the cushioning between knee braces and skin.
    I change them every day. Otherwise, FOX does some bamboo fiber MX socks which are amazing for moisture wicking!

    KNEE PROTECTION : I am 43 and until 3 years ago I had never been able to ride with knee braces. BElieve me I tried them all and nothing would do. I would go back to my small plastic knee cups everytime! Then PODMX (http://www.podmx.com/) came out. They are designed by an Australian genius and he gave the dist. to FOX. These braces are the most complete package you can get. Solid construction, no nonsense and you dont even know they re there!

    NECK PROTECTION : I think I was the first to have a LEatt brace (http://www.leatt-brace.com/) in The States. I imported an early production full carbon one but now I wear their regular top of the line. It has already saved my neck (really, no pun intented!) 2 times. I do not get on a motorcycle without it. I also wear a lycra neck tube underneath otherwise, after a couple days, the side of the neck brace irritates your skin. In MX I set up the neck brace to medium when in rally I set it up to Large.

    UPPER BODY PROTECTION. : This is a tough one. I've tried every pressure suit possible and the only one that fits me great is the Alpinestars Bionic. I wish they had a more rigid front chest protection for that time when you gonna hit the roadbook, but overall it is a great back protection and one of best suits around. The Acerbis Kaerta is impressive and I would love it if it didnt make feel cramped and uncomfortable. Some of friends swear by it.

    PANTS : Whatever you like (try to make it match the jacket so you dont get arrested by Lybian fashion police)

    JACKETS : I wear an ASW (from Brazil http://aswracing.com.br/ ) Vented jacket. The neck is designed to accomodate the LEatt brace. it's got plenty of pockets for food, tools, camelbacks, sat phone etc....

    GOGGLES : I use SMITH "fuel sweat X" Goggles (http://www.smithoptics.com/Moto-Series_Category_16.html) . Dont take an MX vented goggle like an "intake", you might regret it in the dust. I use the bronze lens (tip from Scot HArden). Also, on very thin dust days, I put baby oil on the foam. if you do the baby oil trick, be very careful how you grab your goggles as you may end up ruining your lens. I usually bring one goggle with brand new lens per day. Sometimes it's overboard, but what looks like a good used lens may look like a 1000 shiny stars early in the morning when you face the sun!! Scott makes a desert goggle where the venting foam is replaced by Goretex.

    ISOSTAR or similar. One dose for a whole 1.5 liter water bottle for each day to recoop at the end of the day.
    Drinking plain water is not enough.

    SAt phone : pre-enter in memory all numbers that you want to call. When registerin g at the PC course, give your sat # and get all #s from the organization, just in ccase. DO NOT BUY GLOBALSTAR!!! it's a worthless piece of SH..T! Get an Iridium!
    If you only race in N. Africa or middle east, get a Thuraya. these phones take your Gsm CArd and you get billed thru your regular GSM carrier. Costly per minute but if you only use it for emergency, it's better. No need for pre-paid card! and it's a smaller phone I have both Iridium and Thuraya.


    PACKING:
    When traveling to rally,
    I bring 2 pairs of boots. you have river crossing one day, your feet are dry when you start the next day.
    I bring 2 helmets. or at least a spare visor (In case of a crash)
    I bring one piece of underwear of each (top, bottom, feet) per day
    I bring 2 jackets and 2 pants
    I bring 2 knee braces (in case of a crash)
    I bring 2 camelbacks
    I bring one new set of earplug per day


    When I pack up all my riding stuff, I divide equally all my stuff in 2 of the OGIO 9800LE bags (awesome bag for rally/KTM sells it) .
    The point of dividing everything is that if one of your bags disappear during air travel to the start of the race, you still have
    one full set of everything.
    All the electronics should be in your carry on!

    There's a full bag of medicine stuff you need to prep, but man! thats a long post!
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  9. InertiaDRZ400

    InertiaDRZ400 AusSafari Addict

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    Ludo, i think ill be using some of your ideas on the safari next year!

    Im a huge fan of the KTM jacket! I also have the acerbis jacket but find that for rallye use the pockets are soooo handy!

    Maybe someone should clean up this thread to contain the links to the actual gear as I know how hard a time i had searching for it!
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  10. Simon_R

    Simon_R Adventurer

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    does anybody know where to get this hand tape from with a website in english?
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  11. LUDO

    LUDO Been here awhile

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    martial.delorme@free.fr

    I think he writes english no problem.
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  12. Sycamore

    Sycamore d00b

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    thanks man, that's like a few dozen rallys experience in one post. Good stuff.
    The ASW jacket - what's the ventilation like for hot climates?
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  13. LUDO

    LUDO Been here awhile

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    ASW vented jackets and pants are constructed of a mesh material and are therefore really vented.
    There are 2 schools of thoughts.
    One is to have fully vented gear but in dry sahara heat, some say it might actually dehydrate you. The thought does have merit but I never experimented issues up till 113deg F.
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  14. Frgich

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    Great info LUDO, appreciate it :thumb
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  15. Cummo

    Cummo Been here awhile

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    You forget to include one thing Ludo......the truck you also have to carry all this gear!:D :D :D
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  16. Trang

    Trang ... 2nd last to the Sweep

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    +1 :clap

    Bring on more posts like this :thumb
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  17. Frgich

    Frgich Long timer

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    If anyone else have problems with the right sizing and ordering online, XL Rally jacket has under sleeve 52 cm long, the chest measure is 44 ".
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  18. header

    header Chris

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    I am really loving this thread, is there anyone else out there with any info for it?
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  19. jfdirtybiker

    jfdirtybiker Roads are to explore

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    I brought my ce knee armor and pants to a alteration shop to have them sewn in. The shop created pockets in the knee area to slip the armor in to.

    For me it is more comfotable on long multi-day adventures as it eliminates the pain of elastic on skin.
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  20. Seth S

    Seth S Will _____ for _____

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    the only drawback to this is that in a crash the armor is more likely to float away from your body and not be in the right point at impact. The armor that straps directly to your body tends to stay in place better.
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