Tire change and wheel balance, wire spoke GS wheels

Discussion in 'GS Boxers' started by manfromthestix, Jun 29, 2006.

  1. gspdbill

    gspdbill noobie allover again

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    This has to be coming from someone who has never actually tried to do that....
    There's a reason tires don't come spinning off at 100+ mph, the belts around the beads of the tires are VERY strong. Try cutting an old tire (that's off the rim) and see how easy it isn't.

    Thanks so much for all the posts here, unfortunately I found this post the day after I changed the tires on my '05 GS. I've done a few tire changes so I knew what I was doing though. Did have a tough time breaking the bead off the rims and was all set to run to Harbor Freight for one of their tools when I stumbled on a YouTube video of a guy breaking his beads using the 2x4 method, it worked like a charm. Only used (1) 5' 2x4 and (1) 6" piece of 2x4 (not even attached like the OP has it) and leveraged it under the trailer hitch of my SUV and was done in under a min. Worked great!

    Found it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNrhMUPxI3o

    Will be getting Marc Parnes adapter for the rear wheel ASAP, thanks again for the info.
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  2. N-m

    N-m Captain 2 Sexy

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    I see many pictures of riders carrying spare tires or a knobbie while riding a street or vice versa. How are they breaking the bead on a tire on a campout w/o all these devices like a Chevy 3/4 ton with 1/2 ton suspension?
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  3. LaurelPerryOnLand

    LaurelPerryOnLand Long timer

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    Simply use the WEIGHT of the bike as leverage.

    Place the SIDE STAND on the bead...and push DOWN...easy.

    Yeah...like the YouTube video link below
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  4. SeeRace

    SeeRace Been here awhile

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    Here's how: I have done this before and it works great.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0nrZadIQxA
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  5. N-m

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  6. manfromthestix

    manfromthestix Lost in Space

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    You guys are sure hard on my poor old truck! :lol3 I factory ordered that truck 19 years and 145,000 miles ago and it's still going strong, zero issues, just maintenance, and still looks (and rides!!!) like it was brand new. So, :fyyff.

    :D :evil

    Anyway, back to the topic at hand. After years of using everything from rocks and sticks, kick stands, vices, clamps, 2X4's and trucks :D, professional tire machines, and everything in between I have finally found the shiz-fucking-nit for bead breaking:

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    Motion Pro makes good stuff; a little pricey, but really work, real strong, real light, and they are also tire irons. I still prefer the three long curvey irons for taking the tires off and getting them back on, but for packing in the bike's tool kit for on-the-road repairs these things are IT. Again, I marvel at why I didn't think something like this up myself in 50 years of wrenching on bikes, but oh well...

    I'm glad to see that this thread is still alive! :freaky

    Doug
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  7. N-m

    N-m Captain 2 Sexy

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    For my first bike and first tire change I am following this route described by the OP. If I don't like the Shinkos I can always switch to another tire later.

    I am currently riding the Tourances and like them but they are fairly worn so I don't know how representative of their actual performance they might be. There is a large flat spot on the rear.

    I have ordered the balancer from Marc Parnes. I can find no negative reviews of any of his products. On top of that when I had several questions he personally took the time to call me this evening to answer my questions! He just called me back to explain he was going to substitute one cone for a different one since I had discussed doing a Harley as well. Now I will be able to cover many Beemers, Japanese bikes and Harley's with one kit.

    Thanks to anyone for the help.
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  8. N-m

    N-m Captain 2 Sexy

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    I finally got around to pulling the rear tire this evening after picking up a nail from last weekend's ride. Now I have no choice but to change these out!

    I found the Dodge 3/4 ton with 3/4 ton rims was not up to the task and do not know of anyone with the foresight to order a 3/4 ton truck with 1/2 ton rims just for the sake of breaking beads on the BMW they plan to own someday! :dllama

    I tried the kick stand trick shown in the youtube video and found the center stand was too low for this job and the kick stand with its large Touratech pad would not work. I could pull the plate off but did not have time for that tonight.

    Tomorrow I will get back on this and use a tire machine if I have to. I will figure something out since I want to ride to the March Motomadness rally in Huntsville, AL next weekend on Sat. if not Fri. and Sat.
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  9. Bill-66

    Bill-66 Hencho in Kansas

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    Just use three tire irons..about 2-3 inches apart..the two outers go down, hold with knee..center goes up..pop..bead is broke. You may have to work around tire a bit..but it works easily..same concept as the motion pro sticks above.
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  10. N-m

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    After trying every method of breaking the bead on my rear tire I finally gave up and used a tire machine. the bead was on so tight when pressure was applied the machine stalled for about one second and when the machine broke the bead there was a pop almost as loud as a gun going off. Rotated the tire and hit the pressure again and another loud pop almost as loud as the first. We had to use the machine to break the bead all the way around the rim!

    I had to work for about one hour to get the tire completely off the rim with full length tire spoons you would use on a 16 inch truck rim. This was quite the chore. There are large amounts of trash, rubber, dirt and grim on the rim. I suspect this tire has been on the bike for years before enough miles were finally ridden to flatten out the tread.

    Tomorrow I balance and mount the new Shinko I bought and then it's on to the front tire.
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  11. gspdbill

    gspdbill noobie allover again

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    I used the 2 x 4 method in this video and it worked like a charm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNrhMUPxI3o

    I did not bother to install a hinge on the 2x4's, I did it just like he showed in the video. Only thing I did differently is have (3) 2x4 sections in a triangle under the tire/wheel to protect the brake rotors. I did both the front and rear wheels this way, less than a min. to do each wheel.
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  12. chewnaut

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    Thought I'd try to change my '12 GSA rear tire:baldy. Took old Tourance EXP off (~7500 mi on it) and put on an Anakee 2. Getting off Tourance wasn't bad, broke the bead with long 2x4 and smaller piece of wood using GSA as leverage point. Used some old leather pieces to protect rim from my 3 tire irons. I could not get the last part of the anakee 2 bead over the rim! I'm not trying to stroke my ego but if you saw me on the street you'd think I was some steroid freak frat kid that can't spell his own name :lol3 I could not, with three tire irons get the last 16" of tire over the rim. It was 66 deg out at about 1030pm. I know the heat from the sun and ambient temp can play a big roll, but didnt think that would make the process completely futile. I took it to Sandia BMW where, with their hydrolic tire changer, had trouble with it. I took it home only to realize the bead wouldn't seat, even with a ratcheting strap around tire and pump plugged into the car!!! I beat the crap out of that tire trying to get the bead to shift into place. Nothing
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  13. chewnaut

    chewnaut Rob

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    I had to go back to Sandia BMW for them to get the bead in. They couldn't do it so they left the tire in the sun for 30 min and tried again. FINALLY worked after the service manager, service advisor, and two techs worked on it. WTF? :kboom
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  14. manfromthestix

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    I suspect this tire has been on the bike for years before enough miles were finally ridden to flatten out the tread.

    I think you've nailed it! They do get seated very tight if they've been on a long time.

    If you are having that much trouble getting the tire off the rim even with Herculean effort all I can think is that you didn't have the free portion of the tire pushed down into the center of the rim. If that happens you would be trying to stretch the steel/poly cords in the tire bead and that ain't gonna happen very easily. Did you clean and lube the rim and tire before installing the new one to make it easier to slide on and seat the bead?

    Something goofy was going on there, it should NOT take that much effort to remove or install a tire. :hmmmmm :confused :dunno

    Got a new-to-me 2010 WR250R that needs tires soon, so I'll get a chance to practice my skills on a tubed tire! Haven't done that in a while, hope the new Motion Pro bead breaker works on those as well as the tubeless. I'll be putting some Shinko 244s on that bad boy; got the pair with the bike and I think they cost all of $80 for the set.

    Doug

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  15. chewnaut

    chewnaut Rob

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    I did feel like I was working against the steel bead in my final efforts to get the new anakee 2 on, with no avail. I lubedd the bead and rim with a glob of dish soap. I followed some DIY tire changing threads while doing it and I just couldn't get that bead over the rim. I would like to see someone do it in person with a similar set up. The service manager at Sandia BMW said some tires are just a pain, it's not uncommon to get a stubborn tire.
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  16. manfromthestix

    manfromthestix Lost in Space

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    I'm sure that's true, they are all hand-built so there's got to be some variance in size and finish, but you'd think the diameter would be close enough regardless to allow installation without warping or busting the rim in the process. I've gotten bad tires before, but ususally that meant they were so far out of balance they would wobble no matter how much weight you put on them. I hope you don't have that much trouble getting this thing off!

    I grew up in New Mexico and learned to ride MX, trials (with NMTA), flat track, enduros, etc. there, just a glorious place to ride! We used to go to the flats at the old Galisteo (sp?) reservoir and roost all over hell just to see how fast our MXers were; the place crawled with huge tarantula spiders but I don't think we ever hit a single one - they are FAST!

    Enjoy your new tire! :clap

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    chewnaut Rob

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    Thanks Doug, and NM is an amazing place for two wheel travel (on or off road)!!
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  18. Jabba

    Jabba "HOLD THE LIGHT!!!"

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    Great thread- I have a ? for the OP...

    I ordered the Parnes balancer for my KTM 990- but recently bought another R1150GSA It looks like the OP's balancer uses the two standard cones in the pics on page one? I know Parnes sells a special "flatter" tapered cone for the 1150 rear- is this necessary, or can I use my two universal cones for the front and rear of the 1150 GS wire rims? He hasn't replied to my email from a week ago-
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    The actual cost is 3 cents per pound here.
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  20. N-m

    N-m Captain 2 Sexy

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    Try contacting him via his website and phone. He is easy to work with.